Asked someone to move from the disabled bay

[AllThingsServeTheBeam]

No real point to the thread really. But today instead of us driving off and trying to find somewhere else to park in our town, dp stopped and told someone who was just sat in a disabled bay with the engine idling with no badge to move (nicely). The guy did move and pulled up further along. We were able to park up with a much shorter walk!

Why do people think it's ok to park in disabled bays when they don't need them? We would have normally just driven off and I would have possibly had to have stopped in the car if it was too far for me to walk. People don't seem to care their actions have concequences.

@Theremoresefulday

So what conditions would be second tier and mean you shouldn’t get a badge? What does the blue badge assessor know more than the pip assessor? What should the process be?

I’m unclear why there needs to be 2 levels of blue badge?

This post, @Theremoresefulday ^

You literally have zero experience then. You said they were given too easily and you have nothing at all to back that statement up.

your suggestion is poorly conceived and unworkable. The idea that it is easy to get a blue badge is a fallacy.

And this one, @Theremoresefulday

Please see my post above where I copied both your post and mine which responded directly to it and was, in fact, the very next post.

You stated that blue badges were given out too easily.

What is your specific evidence for this assertion?

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

You literally have zero experience then. You said they were given too easily and you have nothing at all to back that statement up.

I'm literally referring to well-known changes. It's completely bizarre that you're reacting like this - this is a commonly discussed issue and I agree with you on about 95% of the thread.

@Theremoresefulday

Please see my post above where I copied both your post and mine which responded directly to it and was, in fact, the very next post.

I've cited the posts where you responded to the suggestion I made. It's very clear, right here in the thread - if you won't look or acknowledge what you yourself wrote, I can't help that. Best we leave it here.

@Innocenta changes may mean that more conditions are now considered but that doesn't mean people are actually getting the badges. You said it's easy to get one. You have nothing to prove that statement.

I see this all the time in McDonalds car parks. Uber Eats and Just Eat drivers parked up in disabled bays having a nap while they wait for an order to come in that needs delivering

[quote AllThingsServeTheBeam]@Innocenta changes may mean that more conditions are now considered but that doesn't mean people are actually getting the badges. You said it's easy to get one. You have nothing to prove that statement. [/quote]
Yes. I was referring - for the third time - to the changes in the criteria. Feel free to review these if you wish to continue the discussion.

I am truly lost as to why you've reacted with such hostility to me bringing up the 2019 changes. This was much discussed at the time and is hardly a settled topic, now.

Just because the system has been widen to mean more people who need a badge get one doesn’t mean they are easily given out

@Innocenta I am not hostile in the slightest. You are not answering anyone's questions. I want to know why you think it's easier to get a BB. The changes mean nothing. It didn't mean more people got a badge, just that they could, if they qualified, apply for one. You're not listening to anyone on here telling you how it is not easy to get one. People, including me, want to know why you think it's easier now to get one when in actual fact it's the hardest it's ever been

@Sirzy

Just because the system has been widen to mean more people who need a badge get one doesn’t mean they are easily given out

This! I don't know what is so hard to understand!

[quote AllThingsServeTheBeam]@Innocenta I am not hostile in the slightest. You are not answering anyone's questions. I want to know why you think it's easier to get a BB. The changes mean nothing. It didn't mean more people got a badge, just that they could, if they qualified, apply for one. You're not listening to anyone on here telling you how it is not easy to get one. People, including me, want to know why you think it's easier now to get one when in actual fact it's the hardest it's ever been [/quote]
What you're saying is just completely incorrect. I'm sorry, but it's impossible to discuss it if you deny reality. Tag me if you take time to read the guidelines and actually want to talk about this - I genuinely am happy to do that, with anyone. Otherwise, it's wasting both our time, I'm afraid.

@Innocenta you honestly think me and many other posters personal experiences are incorrect?

I copied the post I was referring to and my response where you said blue badges were given out too easily.

At that point I was NOT responding to any other of your suggestions, merely the statement that blue badges were given out too easily.

That is why I only quoted that part of your statement.

Is that clear enough for you?

[quote AllThingsServeTheBeam]@Innocenta you honestly think me and many other posters personal experiences are incorrect?[/quote]
I'm not commenting on personal experience. I'm commenting on the claims you are making. Subjective personal experience is a different matter.

You are telling me and other posters are incorrect by disagreeing with you. You still haven't given any evidence to support the fact they are so easily given out other than the changes in 2019 which doesn't actually support you!

@Theremoresefulday

I copied the post I was referring to and my response where you said blue badges were given out too easily.

At that point I was NOT responding to any other of your suggestions, merely the statement that blue badges were given out too easily.

That is why I only quoted that part of your statement.

Is that clear enough for you?

You then made multiple follow-up posts addressing other things I'd said.

I clarified that I wasn't seriously suggesting a two-tier system, and that I agree with you - it would be unworkable in practice. I should not have brought it up, because that only confused the issue. So what is the problem, again?

I didn’t ask for your help and I resent your inference that I do not comprehend exactly what I quoted and my response.

It’s clear right here on the thread.

In addition, your proposed solution is unworkable and ableist as it will give a tiered system of deserving and undeserving disabled people and be unworkable.

Your passive aggressive insults towards me are appalling.

@Theremoresefulday

I copied the post I was referring to and my response where you said blue badges were given out too easily.

At that point I was NOT responding to any other of your suggestions, merely the statement that blue badges were given out too easily.

That is why I only quoted that part of your statement.

Is that clear enough for you?

We're wrong anyway. Maybe every other council hands them out like sweets without the need for PIP. We know how easy it is to apply and get PIP now don't we 🙄

I finally got a blue badge in March 2020.

You’d think if the changes in 2019 made it so easy it wouldn’t have taken me so long.

To be clear. I only got the blue badge because my pip appeal (through mandatory consideration and finally tribunal appeal) was successful.

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

You are telling me and other posters are incorrect by disagreeing with you. You still haven't given any evidence to support the fact they are so easily given out other than the changes in 2019 which doesn't actually support you!

This is exactly what I'm talking about, though. You've claimed that I am not answering anyone's questions - but I have, quite literally, answered multiple questions. It simply is not true that I haven't answered. I have directed you to the guidelines, but the wording of your replies on here suggests you haven't read them.

And also, none of your responses actually addresses my core point, which is focused on structural inequality.

You said blue badges are too easy to get.

What exactly do you mean by this? What conditions do you feel they are currently awarded for that they should not be? What conditions do you feel they are “handed out” for as a result of the 2019 changes that they should not be awarded for? What level of pip award and in what sections do you feel is only worthy of a 2nd tier badge?