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Emma Tustin is a murderer

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DueyCheatemAndHow · 02/12/2021 16:18

Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

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oakleaffy · 03/12/2021 09:56

Hopefully Tustin will be beyond breeding age when she is released.
The weak, evil rabbity looking father will doubtless be freed to impregnate again.
Shame mandatory sterilisation/Vasectomies can't be ordered for cruel parents.

santaclawzz · 03/12/2021 09:58

God this story has me absolutely inconsolable when I read about it. The poor poor boy, I can't even begin to imagine. May his little soul rest and may Tustin and Hughes rot in hell.

Flapjacker48 · 03/12/2021 10:03

@Cassimin Social work is a vocation so the money shouldn’t matter

With, respect, what rubbish. As I said before, society will get the level social services they are prepared to fund.

There is limited interest in people wanting to be social worker's anyway - especially in child protection. Many SW with experience leave due workloads, and yes due to pay for this workload and the responsibility, let alone this ideas that many extra hours "unpaid" is inevitably needed.This idea that certain jobs are a "vocation" and hence we can get away with a culture where conditions are poor is ridiculous.

DingleyDel · 03/12/2021 10:04

There are severely dysfunctional people about, from appalling homes with feckless parents going down the generations~ People from dysfunctional families seem drawn to others with a similar {Familiar?} way of being..Shouting, aggression, physical punishments, substance abuse/alcoholism.

Easy to make this assumption (I did too). However it’s reported their morning that Arthur’s paternal grandmother was a teacher. His mother was privately educated, university educated and had the start of a good career as a Lance corporal. This doesn’t strike me as a family who had suffered violence/deprivation/ addiction through generations. I always try to look for a ‘reason’ why people do terrible things, what went wrong? Ive concluded some people are just wicked and some people absolutely should never become parents. Also some serious SS failings yet again, This story has affected so many people. I’m glad we can discuss it on MN now as dh won’t hear about it. It’s probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen/read.

lesleylol · 03/12/2021 10:05

We need sterilisation of men and women who have shown inability to care for children and a cap on welfare above two children.

It’s difficult for decent people to understand but there are many out there who have more children in order to receive more benefits. I know because I come across them in my work

Cassimin · 03/12/2021 10:06

SallyWD
You are so right, social care needs a complete overhaul. So much money is wasted in the wrong places. It upsets me so much.
So many people, children and adults are being failed. It’s so sad.

lesleylol · 03/12/2021 10:06

I’ve just heard on the news they are being sentenced later. Let’s hope it’s what they deserve.

Cassimin · 03/12/2021 10:08

Flapjacker48
So if the social worker in this case was getting an extra £30 per hour the outcome would have been different?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 03/12/2021 10:08

@SallyWD

Having read through these posts it seems clear that social workers have unmanageable case loads, serious abuse is slipping through the net, there are not enough foster carers for the number of children who need them, it's difficult to become a foster carer. Clearly we need to look at the big picture from the top. Quite simply - the system is not fit for purpose, it's failing. The government needs to take urgent action. There are too many children whose lives are at risk. What shocks me about our country is that we are one of the richest countries in the world yet chronic underinvestment has meant that so many institutions are teetering on the brink of collapse. Look at the NHS, look at public transport, look at adult and children social care. The list goes on - none of these things are fit for service. Children are going hungry. I want to know what the hell we are doing with all the wealth in this country?! It seriously needs to be redirected.
Totally agree. It's easy and comfortable to blame individual SWs, but the system is failing them, as well as children. The Baby P case led to a huge increase in workload, because everybody's thresholds for intervention were lowered. So it's not true, as many PPs have suggested, that lessons are never learned - they are. But you can't implement the lessons you have learned effectively if you don't have the resources to do it.

The increase in referrals post-Baby P may help a few children who would have slipped through the net in the past, but it has actually made things worse for the kids at highest risk, because there is less SW time to go round.

We are a wealthy country that has chosen to disinvest massively in public services over the last decade. At least half the posters on this thread will have voted for that. And, when challenged, they come up with excuses about waste. Of course there is some waste in SS - just as there is in every other sector. That is not an excuse to slash local authority income by a third, as the UK has done.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 03/12/2021 10:10

@lesleylol

We need sterilisation of men and women who have shown inability to care for children and a cap on welfare above two children.

It’s difficult for decent people to understand but there are many out there who have more children in order to receive more benefits. I know because I come across them in my work

Mm, yes forced sterilisation. That ended well the last time we tried it in Europe.
50ShadesOfCatholic · 03/12/2021 10:12

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

What the hell has to be wrong with a person that they could do this to a little boy? I just don’t get it. What causes people like this?
massively abusive childhoods breed abusers
50ShadesOfCatholic · 03/12/2021 10:16

@DingleyDel

Easy to make this assumption (I did too). However it’s reported their morning that Arthur’s paternal grandmother was a teacher. His mother was privately educated, university educated and had the start of a good career as a Lance corporal. This doesn’t strike me as a family who had suffered violence/deprivation/ addiction through generations.

Parents can be educated and still be excessively violent and abuse substances. Aggression and addiction are not confined to the uneducated. However, the educated tend to be better protected by systems than those who have bigger struggles. Punishing the vulnerable is a lot easier than punishing people who could be your peers.

Helpimfalling · 03/12/2021 10:16

@DingleyDel

There are severely dysfunctional people about, from appalling homes with feckless parents going down the generations~ People from dysfunctional families seem drawn to others with a similar {Familiar?} way of being..Shouting, aggression, physical punishments, substance abuse/alcoholism.

Easy to make this assumption (I did too). However it’s reported their morning that Arthur’s paternal grandmother was a teacher. His mother was privately educated, university educated and had the start of a good career as a Lance corporal. This doesn’t strike me as a family who had suffered violence/deprivation/ addiction through generations. I always try to look for a ‘reason’ why people do terrible things, what went wrong? Ive concluded some people are just wicked and some people absolutely should never become parents. Also some serious SS failings yet again, This story has affected so many people. I’m glad we can discuss it on MN now as dh won’t hear about it. It’s probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen/read.

May I just say.

That horrific things can happen in families of teachers and people with good careers that doesn't mean anything.

No way is it an excuse for anything ever but it happens

DottyHarmer · 03/12/2021 10:17

I once had a temporary job typing reports on trainee social workers. I was Shock at the appalling calibre. Quite a few almost illiterate and always off sick (these were reports on whole cohort, not just the bad ones).

I think a social worker needs to be tough, there should be more emphasis on this - be they men or women. I remember in the case of baby P one of the social workers had been afraid to enter the home and had therefore not seen the child.

On another thread I was on someone claimed that people are not inherently evil. I beg to differ.

Flapjacker48 · 03/12/2021 10:21

@Cassimin Can't say specifically in this case, however n general yes, if experienced social workers had better terms and conditions, this includes both workload AND fair pay for said workload, there there may more experienced staff who stay in post, both to handle difficult cases and, just as important to mentor more junior staff.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 03/12/2021 10:21

Those who have genuine ideas for improving the quality of social work, you have an opportunity to get involved in the independent review of children’s social care. The “call for ideas” is open until mid-December.

childrenssocialcare.independent-review.uk/call-for-ideas/

Nidan2Sandan · 03/12/2021 10:23

I work in a job where I deal with child safeguarding (I'm not a social worker) and it is almost impossible to get social services to agree to take a case on when there is a concern for a child welfare. I mean, we have to get the parents permission to refer to social services!!

Getting a child removed from their parents is also nigh on impossible. I had a horrific case involving quite serious sexual abuse, evidenced abuse! It took 2 years and 3 court hearings before a Judge would agree to the removal.

Which is a good time to remind folk that it's not just social services here, Family court has a lot to answer to as well.

User57327259 · 03/12/2021 10:23

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow You do not know anything about me or the people I know. I have been in poor health due to the lack of proper action by police or social workers just short of the same thing happening to children I know including the same phrase used by this little boy.
It must have cost a lot of money for social workers to visit and fail to see what was going on. Police must have records too but no action. I am not interested in any sob stories on behalf of social workers or anyone else.
Children need to be protected from all who harm them and that includes any authority who fails to protect

DingleyDel · 03/12/2021 10:24

@Helpimfalling yes that the point I was making, although I realise this didn’t come across. Words like ‘feckless’ and ‘dysfunctional’ are often thrown around and it conjures a certain image of the type of people who abuse their children. This case shows what a load of rubbish those assumptions are. I do think in some cases this does affect social workers.

vickyp0llard · 03/12/2021 10:25

Some people just are born psychopaths, IMO. Just like children can be born with any other disability, neurological condition or genetic illness. I read an interesting article about it a while ago - in children you can't call it psychopath, but "callous unemotional". www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/magazine/can-you-call-a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html
In America they set up a whole workshop/camp for them but said it's really hard to change those traits, they either grow out of it or they don't. Lots of normal, nice parents at their wits end because their child is abusing their pets and nothing they can do about it. Pretty scary.

3WildOnes · 03/12/2021 10:25

@Cassimin if there was more money in social care then social workers could have smaller case loads. They could then spend longer with each family and hopefully more would be spotted.

Flapjacker48 · 03/12/2021 10:26

@DottyHarmer Ok, so what support is given to social workers when they are threatened and/or assaulted to enable them to properly investigate a case? The answer, I can assure you from mangers/LAs is usually not much, or meaningless policies or stuff such as "a panic alarm".

deeedeee · 03/12/2021 10:28

I don’t think the impact of lockdown and school closures has been spoken about enough in this case.

Without lockdown these two defective human beings would not have been locked in a house together with this vulnerable traumatised little boy for months, isolated from sources of support, family, normal coping strategies . With his school closing Arthur would still be alive.

Easy enough to call them evil but if you lock damaged people with personality disorders in brand new relationships that are pregnant with small traumatised children in a house together and take away every bit of routine and societal support they had then it’s obviously a recipe for disaster. I’m surprised there wasn’t an Arthur in every town during lockdown. In fact there will have been, most of them still alive and irrevocably damaged , beginning a lifetime of Trying to deal with the effects on their lives of this kind of trauma. And many of them beginning the cycle again.

All the people clamouring constantly for the schools to shut last year should rethink. The schools should not shut again.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 03/12/2021 10:29

[quote User57327259]@MissLucyEyelesbarrow You do not know anything about me or the people I know. I have been in poor health due to the lack of proper action by police or social workers just short of the same thing happening to children I know including the same phrase used by this little boy.
It must have cost a lot of money for social workers to visit and fail to see what was going on. Police must have records too but no action. I am not interested in any sob stories on behalf of social workers or anyone else.
Children need to be protected from all who harm them and that includes any authority who fails to protect[/quote]
OK, let's carry on scapegoating social workers when things go wrong and expecting people to be able to deliver effective services without enough resources. That will definitely encourage people to become SWs and keep children safe.

Malibuismysecrethome · 03/12/2021 10:30

User it would appear that we are asking too much of those who are in a position to make a difference.

I’m sorry you have experience of this complete lack of action and the devastating consequences.