RNLI lifeboat crew ‘blocked from going out to sea’ by people angry at them rescuing refugees

[DGRossetti]

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/rnli-lifeboat-crew-blocked-from-going-out-to-sea-by-people-angry-at-them-rescuing-refugees-303026/

And in other reports, the fishing boat and crew were nothing to do with the protesters. The boat was discharging waste and couldn't be moved. The RNLI crew went around it. The (scummy) protesters didn't physically interfere with the boat or the RNLI crew.

Obfuscation is the tool of the racist.
As for people X Y and Z, that has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration and everything to do with government not investing in the services involved.

Local news reports: "Paul Joy, chairman of the Hastings Fishermen’s Protection Society, said the abuse had nothing to do with Hastings fishermen. He said the lifeboat decided to launch on the east side of the harbour arm - rather than the west side where it normally launches - and found a fishing boat was already there. This escalated into a “row”, but he said this had nothing to do with refugees being rescued in the Channel - it was the way the lifeboat crew spoke to the fisherman involved. He said there was a lorry driver on the beach who “had words about immigrants” to the lifeboat crew, but nothing was said about refugees by the fisherman.“I actually did go to the lifeboat house and spoke to the police and everybody was okay, and the lifeboat agreed that they would speak more candidly to the fishermen...and treat them with a little bit of respect. That’s all they want - to be spoken to in the right way.”
In total, 1,185 people crossed the Channel by boat to reach the UK on November 11, a new record for migrant crossings in a single day.Last week, businesses and local people were thanked for helping 93 people who arrived on Hastings beach after being rescued by lifeboats in the Channel. One group - 35 men and five teenage boys they were picked up by Hastings RNLI inshore lifeboat on November 16.

[quote DismantledKing]In fact, here’s Kent Online trying to find out what makes this pondlife tick:

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/27-people-drowned-and-i-laughed-258352/[/quote]
There's always been a hard core of xenophobia here - more so in England than in other parts of the UK. A toxic press, constant lack of investment from government and poor education are all factors in a poisonous cocktail. That article is depressing, as is anyone coming on this thread defending the protesters.

Anyone who thinks it's OK to go out and express a wish that people will drown needs their moral compass replacing.

I am absolutely gobsmacked at the idea that fishermen would not do everything to facilitate a lifeboat launch, and I don't believe for a minute it was about "not being spoken to in the right way". Fishing communities and lifeboat crews aren't just strongly connected - they're one and the same. Most of the crewmembers I know work in fishing or are in fishing families.

I would love to know more about what's gone on here.

It made me think of Penlee too, @DGRossetti.

The RNLI have made their stance clear and it is in line with maritime law and their purpose (as well as human decency) There are babies and children on those boats; do people seriously feel they should be left to drown? If so, God help us all.

This thread has reminded me I wanted to buy some Xmas cards and gifts from RNLI as a specific 'f-you' to the demented morons in Hastings who felt it appropriate to block and delay an emergency vehicle launching. Just placed my order :) Let's hope no-one they know or love ever needs the services of the RNLI, and if they do that there aren't similar selfish and ignorant idiots delaying the boat from reaching them.

@DismantledKing

EllieLucy

I’m fed up with persons X,Y, and Z and those like them. I’m fed up with people blaming those with absolutely nothing for governments refusing to invest properly in infrastructure. I’m fed up with gormless people in society not identifying where the true problems lie.

I wish I knew a way to make the gormless be less so. I think the whole of society would benefit as a result. I don't have any answers though.

Except they don't get a place at the school because the only spaces left are for some sort of diversity quota (or other beauracratic bullshit)

No maintained school or academy operates diversity quotas, not least because it would be illegal.

Someone who works at the GP surgery sympathises with person X, telling them how the practice which is already overrunning with excessive amount of patients has been forced to take on some of these immigrants by the health board.

It would be quite dim of person X to believe that, given that the reality is that GP practices are being put under pressure by Covid more than anything else.

“I actually did go to the lifeboat house and spoke to the police and everybody was okay, and the lifeboat agreed that they would speak more candidly to the fishermen...and treat them with a little bit of respect. That’s all they want - to be spoken to in the right way.”

If this is true, which I doubt, I'm still astonished that anyone defended the fishermen's conduct. Do they seriously think it was OK for them to delay rescue for 27 drowning people because their feelings were hurt about how voluntary emergency workers spoke to them?

I think people here are attacking @Doyouwantcoffee without understanding the point she is making, which is that you should always check the source of a story before taking it as fact. The London Economic is rather dubious and its headline is misleading, probably deliberately.

@debwong

I think people here are attacking *@Doyouwantcoffee* without understanding the point she is making, which is that you should always check the source of a story before taking it as fact. The London Economic is rather dubious and its headline is misleading, probably deliberately.

The camera never lies ?

twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1465695528923009038

@FoxgloveSummers

I am absolutely gobsmacked at the idea that fishermen would not do everything to facilitate a lifeboat launch, and I don't believe for a minute it was about "not being spoken to in the right way". Fishing communities and lifeboat crews aren't just strongly connected - they're one and the same. Most of the crewmembers I know work in fishing or are in fishing families.

I would love to know more about what's gone on here.

I agree, it sounds "off". I married into a family of fishermen, and many are/were in the RNLI or Coastguard. The idea that a lifeboat crew would have to ask nicely for anything is absurd- they have the kind of status that means that fishermen will do almost anything for them, and give almost anything to them. No fisherman is ever unaware that one day he may depend on the RNLI to save his life.

No fisherman is ever unaware that one day he may depend on the RNLI to save his life.

My grandfather was a marine engineer operating many miles outside the catchment of the RNLI and still referred to them as "my insurance policy"

Those quibbling over 'blocked' and 'launched' I'm boggled. And then sneering at their superiority over the presumably thick, gullible, easily manipulated majority on the thread.

Rnli reported in couple large news outlets-

A spokesperson for RNLI confirmed the incident had been reported to authorities, and that the lifeboat was eventually able to launch.

'They said: “We can confirm an incident was reported to the police. The lifeboat was able to launch and the station remains on service.”'

Incident
Police
Able to launch (suggesting there was no delay at this point would be... An interesting view).

On happy to see them drown.

Ah no. That's a big part of the point.

They wouldn't see them. They wouldn't have to watch. They wouldn't have to see any children. They wouldn't hear them.

Much easier.

Would any of these fuckers look them in the face one by one and kill them one at a time up close and personal?

I would hope not. However. Some people are capable of all sorts of things. Maybe one or two would. For sure though not in the main.

They're cowards. Nasty pathetic hypocritical cowards.

@DismantledKing
Completely agree with your rant, I hate the fuckers as well.

@debwong

I think people here are attacking *@Doyouwantcoffee* without understanding the point she is making, which is that you should always check the source of a story before taking it as fact. The London Economic is rather dubious and its headline is misleading, probably deliberately.

Except it was swiftly backed up by another source. She was implying there was no truth in the story.

Except there was.

OK, I'm invoking Godwin here but now I realise how people stood by and let the holocaust happen.

They didn't just stand by, they supported it and enthusiastically voted for the people who delivered it. And the people who voted the Nazi's into power were just perfectly ordinary people just like us. They probably made very nice neighbours, went to work, loved there kids, would feed your cat for you while you were away. They weren't monsters, they just didn't like 'outsiders' taking up resources like GP appointments or school places. Never forget that, they were just like us.

As far as I'm concerned its irrelevant how long the lifeblood was delayed, that's not the point. The point is people tried to block it.

Lifeboat!

@EllieLucy a very eloquent explanation

Also to add I don't think people are entirely gormless. To block the lifeboat is obviously disgusting, and long waits etc for GP appointments, schools are due to gov underfunding but thousands of people arriving isn't something that has zero impact on people.
Last year the figure was about 8,000, this year it's triple that number with several hundred arriving in a single day

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/english-channel-migrant-crossings-france-priti-patel-refugees-b967575.html

In GENERAL the UK takes less refugess and migrants but the issue isn't about how many it takes in general but the impact in the local area. What can be done to get the attention and resources needed

Anyway it's heartening despite stories like these to see the local people rallying. Migration, refugees etc have been part of human history for thousands of years. It's not something new and everyone who's here now came from somewhere else once

Not entirely gormless

Just very then!

Very magnanimous.

Horrible. But then extremists usually don’t care about human life.
They always justify loss of human life for the greater good as they see it. We have now an extreme right with these protestors contributing to refugee deaths and an extreme left of Insulate Britain protesters letting people die in ambulances by blocking them from getting to hospital.