RIP Ava White, 12 yr old stabbed Liverpool City Centre

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www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/updates-police-remain-scene-after-22281464

No words for the state of knife crime in our nation

@Ilikecheeseontoast

The whole of society is violent and used to violence thanks to it being glorified on TV and video games. This is where the changes need to happen to see changes in society.

Hmmmm maybe, interesting subject. Is it also the rise of social media and the detached way people interact through that medium? Forgetting that there is an actual human being on the other end of it?

And by that I mean, does that then inform how they interact in the real world?

We have had next to no discipline in our country for the last 20 years at least, we are even frowned upon if we tell a child it is naughty. Well this is what you get when you have raised generations of spoiled, indulged undisciplined monsters who have never been told no, never made to suffer consequences. On one hand we treat these children as little Prince and Princesses but on the other hand treat them as adults. We have raised what we have made. Discipline in this country is long overdue and it needs to start at home.

@LowlandLucky

I think those boys were horribly neglected rather than overindulged but I take your point.

Who brings up these little shits!

I'm from liverpool and often went with friends to see the Christmas light switch on from about Ava's age. Loads of kids that age will have been there last night. Personally now I'd never let me child but for so many kids it's a 10 minute bus or taxi journey and loads of people let their kids go to the town centre with friends after school in many places. It's just wrong to blame the victim and stabbings still occur in daylight. The toxteth comments are vile too! So many lovely children tarred with the same brush as these teenagers because you don't like a place.

Unfortunately knife crime seems to ve everywhere , a fifteen year old boy was stabbed to death last summer around the corner from where I live after getting into some stupid on line dispute ,the other two boys involved were also fifteen ,they were found guilty last week one of murder one of manslaughter ,it's mindless violence , utterly tragic

I can understand that teens might get into a slanting match in the street, but for it to lead to a stabbing is horrific.

This is the problem, whatever happened to just having a fight? (Not in this case with a girl obviously) but why are these kids carrying knives?

We had a stabbing fairly near to us, my DS knew of the boy involved and said it was self defence. 'How can it be self defence when HE stabbed the other kid?' I asked 'why was he carrying a knife?'. My DS said everyone carries knives to protect themselves. I told him you are more like to get stabbed carrying a knife, he said 'I know that but they don't'.

We don't even live in a bad area 🤦🏻‍♀️

I can't begin to imagine how her poor family are feeling... I'm thinking of all the 12 years old young ladies that I looked after last year in Primary School and thinking they are the same age as her.. 💔 💔 💔 💔

The Knife Angel statue began its tour in Liverpool
www.britishironworkcentre.co.uk/show-areas/the-knife-angel-official
It was made from over 100,000 confiscated knives.

I find it so horribly shocking because although I read the news, I don't mix with people who experience the kind of culture where people feel the need to arm themselves and to think that the lads arrested are too young to leave school. I can't even express myself properly, I don't know what I mean, it all feels a bit otherly worldly and yet dreadfully close at the same time. You just never know is possibly what I'm trying to say. It was a busy, well lit place. A gathering of friends for a nice event and then, an altercation and the end of a life.

I feel so sorry for Ava, her friends who were with her, the family and all the people affected by this awful death. It was Global White Ribbon Day yesterday too, a day specifically named to highlight our need to end male violence towards women

@LowlandLucky

We have had next to no discipline in our country for the last 20 years at least, we are even frowned upon if we tell a child it is naughty. Well this is what you get when you have raised generations of spoiled, indulged undisciplined monsters who have never been told no, never made to suffer consequences. On one hand we treat these children as little Prince and Princesses but on the other hand treat them as adults. We have raised what we have made. Discipline in this country is long overdue and it needs to start at home.

So you think these teens were the product of middle class, permissive parenting and love bombing, do you? Be real - they weren't. Chances are they experienced plenty of the kind of 'discipline' you're desperate to see more of, aka slaps, punches, beatings, verbal abuse etc.

And before you start - no I don't feel fucking sorry for them. I'm just pointing out that bringing back flogging isn't going to solve the problem.

This is so tragic and my heart goes out to her family. Sadly this seems to be happening all too often across the UK.

@SingingSands I live in Liverpool and I wouldn't say that I feel unsafe in and around the city centre. Other areas have much higher rates of knife crime - commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/

This seems to be a country wide problem sadly.

[quote Livermummy]@SingingSands I live in Liverpool and I wouldn't say that I feel unsafe in and around the city centre. Other areas have much higher rates of knife crime - commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/

This seems to be a country wide problem sadly.[/quote]
Definitely country wide ,it's just tragic

@LowlandLucky

We have had next to no discipline in our country for the last 20 years at least, we are even frowned upon if we tell a child it is naughty. Well this is what you get when you have raised generations of spoiled, indulged undisciplined monsters who have never been told no, never made to suffer consequences. On one hand we treat these children as little Prince and Princesses but on the other hand treat them as adults. We have raised what we have made. Discipline in this country is long overdue and it needs to start at home.

You talk as though discipline equals violence.

Effective discipline is guidance with love and consistency, and without humiliation.

I will bet my last cent that those children have been neglected and abused their entire lives.

@ConcernedAuntie

Who brings up these little shits!

Very often in cases involving extreme violence amongst children, one look at their home life explains everything.

I actually loathe the term "little shits", we don't know the details of this case but invariably in such cases they are children who have been failed horribly.

This along with that poor young woman in Plymouth. I despair.

Re. Toxteth - yes, it is rough in Toxteth but that doesn't mean everyone goes around carrying knives!

Yes, kids who have been horribly failed. Not little shits. Very sad all round.

FFS going to see Christmas lights is not age appropriate? Well it should be.

Poor Ava and her family.

Lots of children are carrying knives to protect themselves. We sneer at gun laws in America and have the same problen with our children.

Perfectly normal for secondary school kids to be at the lights switch on - the area she’s from is max ten mins away!

It’s absolutely tragic. We need schools to do more imo - they’re all offered knife arches by Merseyside Police and most refuse ‘in case it looks like they have a knife problem’

I’ve just seen her photograph on the news, brought it hone, Devastating, poor little soul. Her family will be going through hell.

RIP, little one.

children killing children. it's the saddest thing you can ever hear. Just beyond sad actually. I don't care where you grew up/where you are from.

they need to be tried as adults, I think giving children the protection of children's courts and sentencing does nothing to deter this kind of behaviour.

@ChambersDictionaryofSecrets

GNR - that’s quite a leap to it being a racist comment. I presume (hope) that the poster was referring to Toxteth being a notorious area for high crime rates. Agree tarring everyone from there with the same brush is lazy stereotyping though.

How is it tarring everyone with the same brush?

As a crime reporter, I covered the same patches with monotonous regularity. It's not some figment of the imagination.

But I agree that knife crime is very wide spread now. The trouble is, the moment a person even picks up a knife, there is a risk of harm. It is deeply tragic that even children feel they need to arm themselves.

The whole of society is violent and used to violence thanks to it being glorified on TV and video games. This is where the changes need to happen to see changes in society.

Completely agree with this.

Regular exposure to violent content = glamourising of violence, gradual desensitising to it at an impressionable age, and eventual development of a culture of violence in real life where there's no grasp on the value of life.