What would it take for another party to be voted in?

[patienceandprudence]

It’s rare that you meet someone who is very for either Labour or the Tories. Of course we’ll all have one we prefer but at the moment it’s a best of two evils sort of situation. They both seem woefully out of touch with people.

But will things ever change? What do you think it’ll take for them to change? I feel quite down about the fact that it seems completely impossible. Life in this country could be so much different if we had a few more options.

We need a party that will secure funding for the NHS and not try to privatise it, also to know what a woman is, and not diminish women’s rights. Show me that party and I’ll vote for them.

Try reddit r/nihilism, FreedomFaith.

@Lostmyheart101 www.womensequality.org.uk/gla_21_manifesto

Either a catastrophe bigger than the ones the gov have dealt with to date or a leader of the opposition who is both strong and charismatic.

Proportional representation makes for weak governments and hung Parliaments. For better or for worse, the first past the post system does work, IF both parties have a basic level of competence and integrity. Unfortunately neither do at present and that is the problem.

No one good goes into politics anymore, because only obnoxious narcissists can cope with the way the British press hound politicians. I’d like to see effective and punitive regulation of the press and social media companies. As long as paparazzi harass politicians at their homes throughout the night, journalists hack phones and email, and psycho-creeps email daily death threats to MPs, the most civilised talented and intelligent people so badly needed as leaders will stay well away from political careers.

Anyway. Labour will only win when they stop being ‘extreme left’ and recognise that a leader leads everyone including the middle and upper class. Want to be leader? Labour need to stop talking class war rhetoric, threatening to close private schools etc, and they need to distance themselves from the extreme woke brigade. I would love to vote Labour, or indeed anyone other than Tory, but I can’t when they blindly recite Stonewall slogans and prioritise the feelings of adult men over the physical safety of female children and women prisoners. The majority of people in this country are female and an awful lot of us will reluctantly vote Tory, despite absolutely despising Boris Johnson, because no other party is prepared to protect single sex spaces and women’s rights. Don’t think this is an election issue? Maybe do a recount of the number of biological women in the country and ask them if they feel free and safe to say that transwomen are not women and should not have access to single sex spaces. Let me know how you get on.

I can't believe that people are prepared to support this appalling government and vote Tory because gender identity is the only issue they vote on. The tories don't give a fuck about women anyway.

@ilovesooty

I can't believe that people are prepared to support this appalling government and vote Tory because gender identity is the only issue they vote on. The tories don't give a fuck about women anyway.

Agreed - it's depressing. As for Labour being "far left" most of the Corbyn manifesto would seem perfectly normal in many European or Scandinavian Countries, but for some odd reason we seem to be determined to follow the USA by being more right wing with each passing year.

There are a lot of people who seem to want Labour to be the Tories - what is the point of that?

"Proportional representation makes for weak governments and hung Parliaments."
That's bullshit used to justify the perpetuation of the FTPT system. Some of the world's most stable democracies - like Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland - all use PR.
And what's wrong with a coalitions anyway. I'd rather have compromise politics than the Tory shit show running roughshod over our democracy.

I agree with ChurchofLatterDayPaints that we really need to get more engaged with the political process.
It's estimated that it will only take 3.5% of the population to take action for things to change.

Both parties are basically nuLabour now with some weird far left policies thrown in.

A clearly stated set of policies
At least 80% budgeted
A united party
No extremists waiting in the wings.
An acceptance that women exist and have the right to be called women
A credible and likeable leader
Without mps who think the world is flat or base their views on religious doctrine

That would be a good start

@lonelyapple

Both parties are basically nuLabour now with some weird far left policies thrown in.

Oh, what a ridiculous thing to say. I suppose that's why universal credit's been slashed and some working people have to use food banks, is it? Because the Tories are New Labour? Come off it.

And what are these policies you consider 'far left'?

There have been about a million of these threads and they always go the same way. OP asks what it would take for us to vote Labour. Hundreds of posters say “recognise what a woman is, and listen to why it’s important”. Labour shills turn up to tell us we’re wrong and stupid and it’s all our fault. It would be funny if it didn’t matter.

@Boood

There have been about a million of these threads and they always go the same way. OP asks what it would take for us to vote Labour. Hundreds of posters say “recognise what a woman is, and listen to why it’s important”. Labour shills turn up to tell us we’re wrong and stupid and it’s all our fault. It would be funny if it didn’t matter.

It's very hard to judge the importance of this overall though. MN isn't representative.

Some of us "Labour shils" are exasperated that the reasons for not supporting Labour are so nuanced as the country is turning into a one party state and going down the shitter.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone absolutely agree. It beggars belief really but it's ok for w/c women to lose £20 in UC or w/c pensioners (mainly women) to be discriminated against with regards to the proposed social care changes.

[quote DerTrotzkopf]@daimbarsatemydogsbone absolutely agree. It beggars belief really but it's ok for w/c women to lose £20 in UC or w/c pensioners (mainly women) to be discriminated against with regards to the proposed social care changes.[/quote]
Well said.

We need to get rid of the right-wing press. The media control it all.

No extremists waiting in the wings.

Well it certainly true that there are no extremists waiting in the wings of the Tory party because the extremists have already taken over . Moreover, they've booted out everyone remotely sain.

We need to get rid of the right-wing press. The media control it all.

Completely agree. Too many people believe every word in hate filled rags.

@ilovesooty

I can't believe that people are prepared to support this appalling government and vote Tory because gender identity is the only issue they vote on. The tories don't give a fuck about women anyway.

I wonder about this too.

The Tories have destroyed the refuge system, cut benefits from women, presided over an ever-worsening rape crisis...

And they have a raging misogynist in charge.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone it frustrates me that the argument is always “why are women allowing this single issue to dominate instead of focusing on what’s important” rather than the other way around. Why do the progressive parties expect us to hold our noses, rather than dropping hugely controversial, marginally appealing policies? Because their default is to bully women and expect us to fall in line, and they can’t shift their approach.

We need a sensible and strong opposition. Doesn't really matter what the voting system is you need good strong opposition.

Scotland has PR and still has a shit show with one party with far too much power pushing their own agenda neglecting their day job.
Money being spent on lots of free shit ignoring the places that really need it.

Why women, or cervix havers, would vote Labour is beyond me.

For Labour to start reading all the other threads calling them out for being utter twats and listen, reflect and act.

There have been a few times in my life when I have thought one or other party looks to be on its last legs and unfit to govern again. But something always happens, somebody comes along. Over the long term the baton will be passed between the main parties, just as it always has.

@HarrietsChariot

It would take a populist party who appeal to enough of the easily-influenced. They'd need policies that are a distraction from the real issues we face, usually based on racism (whether overtly or otherwise). It worked in Germany, it works in Scotland, both examples of a party coming from no or low support to an unassailable position in the polls.

Haven't we got that already?