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Why do so many TV dramas start off well then degenerate into a wet fart?

158 replies

BuckyBarnesArm · 11/11/2021 21:01

Latest is Close To Me. Ridiculous. The Tower also ended ridiculously.

DUPED into watching stuff with good first episodes and then FORCED to watch them through because I have no life til the soggy arsed end. Or am I just fussy?

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froggy1811 · 12/11/2021 13:13

Does anybody remember the demise of Dexter? I should have stopped watching when the story line was that Deb was in love with her own darn brother! 😡 After that, I thought things couldn't get any worse....enter the finale! 😱

Atla · 12/11/2021 13:16

I think lots of things just get too ridiculous - they don't make sense (within the context of their own internal logic). I can suspend disbelief as well as the next person, but as soon as I start thinking 'that would never happen' I'm out.

Who was writing the risk assessments for Suranne Jones to go on that submarine? That's what I'd like to know!

PuppyMonkey · 12/11/2021 13:24

I have only managed one episode of Angela Black, Hollington Drive and Show Trial, so they don’t even start off well these days imho.

Meanwhile, the US is doing fantastic stuff like Succession and Maid.

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EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 12/11/2021 13:25

Yes! Vigil was the other one. Rubbish

Tlollj · 12/11/2021 13:34

I know who was it thought it was a good idea to send a claustrophobic recently bereaved woman. Whose husband had actually drowned, on to a submarine?

LagneyandCasey · 12/11/2021 14:01

I still have two episodes of Hollington Drive to go. I'm not sure if I can be bothered after reading the comments here. I'm enjoying Angela Black but fully expect a Line Of Duty style damp squib of a last episode.

I'm longing for dramas like Happy Valley, Unforgiven, The Missing, Broadchurch, Life on Mars etc. Those were the days.

Maybe covid has affected production but that doesn't excuse the poor story lines and plot holes.

lunarlandscape · 12/11/2021 14:06

@iklboo

It's like they play that game where one starts a story, folds the page over and passes it to the next, who also writes a part, passes it on etc

Final part is written by a self published author with no self-editing and delusions of grandeur.

Brilliant! That is so true of so many dramas. Grin Grin Grin

Succession is superb though.
I May Destroy You was magnificent.
Mum (Lesley Manville) was lovely
Ridley Road was quite good
I'm enjoying The Outlaws with Stephen Merchant.

It's the crime dramas that seem to suck. No subtlety. They just go as far fetched as they can and aren;t properly based in character.

YouHaveNoAuthorityHereJackie · 12/11/2021 14:06

The one that sticks in my mind for this is one with Vicky McClure in it, she was a maternity cover for someone. Started great and just descended into total batshittery. We barely watch anything in real time anymore as so often it’s just not worth the slog for something that ends up being awful.

ChrissyPlummer · 12/11/2021 14:11

I very rarely watch these as I’m generally disappointed. We missed about the first half hour of The Tower so I thought we’d missed something vital. I didn’t get it at all. What was the point?

iklboo · 12/11/2021 14:56

Christ Vigil had so much promise. Then ended up like it was written for the 6th Form end of year play with the kids knowing less than zero about the subject.

Poetic licence? Bill Shakespeare would have been proud of the amount.

IntemperateSpirits · 12/11/2021 15:17

The Outlaws keeps it up to the end - but they filmed series 1 and 2 consecutively which I think makes a huge difference.

So many 1 series-worth shows are brilliant for the first few episodes until they get renewed for another season and then someone goes "oops, we need to drag that plotline out a bit" and hold something back for the next series. Or as PP says it's the different writers and directors for each episode and no one looking out for how it ends up.

CreepingDeath · 12/11/2021 15:30

Yeah this is so frustrating. Happened to Stranger Things, The Fall, Homeland, 24, Criminal Minds and so many others. I often think it's because they start off with a good idea, interesting characters etc. and then after a season or two the main plot lines or character development has been done.

But by that stage the audience is invested and it gets good viewer numbers, so the studio throw a load of money at them to keep going for another few seasons and it's just a rehash of the same shit. Or they get the characters together, which never really works.

US shows are really bad for having loads of seasons and so many episodes, there's only so many stories you can do. Or if it is built on a certain premise then only takes a season to unfold, then they take it in a weird direction that doesn't work and flog the crap out of it. It's all about money I guess. They want to cash in on a sure thing.

It's the classic business vs creative tug of war, you see it in movie franchises and music as well - something new is successful because it's fresh and different, then the guys in suits want 10 more of the same thing because it was a hit, and they lose what made it interesting or unique in the first place.

CreepingDeath · 12/11/2021 15:32

Actually The Simpsons is one of the saddest examples of this, is a shadow of its former self.

thenightsky · 12/11/2021 16:34

I'm longing for dramas like Happy Valley, Unforgiven, The Missing, Broadchurch, Life on Mars etc. Those were the days.

I heard that a 3rd series of Happy Valley is being considered...

NigellaSeed · 12/11/2021 17:14

@Kanaloa you are absolutely right. It definitely lost all its quality too. You can tell when a writer has been sitting with a story for years, perfecting the characters, a real labour of love (season 1) and when they've written something in 3 months (season 2+).

GroggyLegs · 12/11/2021 17:16

When a drama has a good ending its actually a twist in itself.
ITV dramas are the worst.

If anyone likes a bit of gritty drug baron drama, ZeroZeroZero on Sky Atlantic was amazing.

33goingon64 · 12/11/2021 17:28

The Tower ending made me literally shout at the TV. The detective's partner had barely any presence until he suddenly becomes a liability in the closing scenes. Why would we care? There's been no investment in his character. The obvious baddy from the first episode - turns out to be the baddy. Surprise! The victims just fell - no foul play. Well, what a let down. At least Line of Duty had a running theme of corruption and not being able to trust anyone. This was like the start of a reasonable idea that just fizzled out.

Did anyone see Collateral a few years ago, also a 3 parter I think, with Carey Mulligan. That was similar but much better.

iklboo · 12/11/2021 17:32

@prampushingdownthehighst - have you watched The Wire or The Shield? Both really good.

NigellaSeed · 12/11/2021 17:40

@CreepingDeath

Yeah this is so frustrating. Happened to Stranger Things, The Fall, Homeland, 24, Criminal Minds and so many others. I often think it's because they start off with a good idea, interesting characters etc. and then after a season or two the main plot lines or character development has been done.

But by that stage the audience is invested and it gets good viewer numbers, so the studio throw a load of money at them to keep going for another few seasons and it's just a rehash of the same shit. Or they get the characters together, which never really works.

US shows are really bad for having loads of seasons and so many episodes, there's only so many stories you can do. Or if it is built on a certain premise then only takes a season to unfold, then they take it in a weird direction that doesn't work and flog the crap out of it. It's all about money I guess. They want to cash in on a sure thing.

It's the classic business vs creative tug of war, you see it in movie franchises and music as well - something new is successful because it's fresh and different, then the guys in suits want 10 more of the same thing because it was a hit, and they lose what made it interesting or unique in the first place.

Yes this is what I was thinking but couldn't articulate as well :)
fussychica · 12/11/2021 17:48

Part of the problem seems to be that they have an eye for another season so often final episodes aren't actual conclusions. So many long running series also go for one season too many and that leaves you disappointed.
I hardly ever watch terrestrial TV dramas these days, there's too much good stuff on Netflix etc. GOLIATH, Maid, Bonfire of Destiny, Godless, The Night of.
Foreign dramas on Walter are often a cut above too.

IntemperateSpirits · 12/11/2021 20:19

I've remembered the last episode of Giri/Haji where they did the modern interpretative dance segment. Now that's how you end a series.

Fairyliz · 12/11/2021 20:50

What I want to know is how the people in these dramas live in the most fabulous houses but never seem to go to work?

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 12/11/2021 20:56

@IntemperateSpirits

I've remembered the last episode of Giri/Haji where they did the modern interpretative dance segment. Now that's how you end a series.
You've made me think of the horrific last episode of Transparent. An all musical special.
dayswithaY · 12/11/2021 21:52

I've given up on ITV dramas. The Bay was ridiculous - weeks of suspense and false leads just for them to discover CCTV exposing the culprits.

It's like they hold you captive for four weeks just so you watch adverts.

33goingon64 · 12/11/2021 21:54

@IntemperateSpirits

I've remembered the last episode of Giri/Haji where they did the modern interpretative dance segment. Now that's how you end a series.
God yes, I loved that series.