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AIBU to find this unforgiveable?

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smoko · 26/10/2021 07:05

First off am in animal rescue - so against the overbreeding of purebreds/designer dogs & trade of pets on Gumtree et al. Dog breeding rings/scams are an issue close to my heart.

A family member decided they wanted a dog. Adopting pets during Covid was understandably difficult.

They complained at the process of being interviewed to adopt a dog. I advised them to

  • Check FB groups for rehomings
  • Be proactive in calling rescue groups
  • Look at smaller rescues with more relaxed rules
  • Being patient & waiting until lockdowns eased & could enter pounds/shelters again

Family member does none of the above.

They decided to purchase a pup on Gumtree. They drove out the front of the home, a lady came out with a pup, handed pup to them through the car window & they drove off.

There was no viewing of the litter, the parents, reportedly no sounds of barking or dog activity coming from the home. The dog purchased is not the same dog in the ad.

I was hurt & unhappy, but this was their choice & came to terms with this.

It becames apparent quite quickly this dog is not the purebreed they were sold as, but a mix. The pup is "spirited" & grew twice the size one would expect. (Weighs approx 10kg so not a huge dog here, but not the lapdog they were sold as).

My family member became put off from the pup by the time they were about 12weeks old. I thought it was puppy blues (which is common & understandable). Family member becomes a grandparent at this time & entire focus becomes grandchild.

The pup became ignored, was left untrained & were admittedly very annoying & destructive.

Family member declined all advice to take dog to puppy pre-school, to try different techniques, to look on YouTube for advice (Eg: Cesar Milan, That UK show "It's me or the dog" etc).

By about 5 months they started to openly tell people they hated the dog. At first they seemed ashamed at their poor purchasing choices. It then started to become something of a joke to them. Basically the pup is now the scapegoat of the family. They refuse to tickle/cuddle dog, they throw food in a bowl twice a day & don't engage. They basically give the dog the silent treatment they are known for, which isn't a recommended form of behaviour for either humans or dogs!

I try to give advice like "when pup jumps up, step forward, don't cower. Step forward or turn your back to them" - they don't try this even once.

Their excuse is they "just don't click" with the dog & openly admit that all their attentions & love go to the grandchild, that they can't help but feel this way. They claim the dog is ugly, that they never once liked the look of her. They giggle about this, like it's cute & funny.

Admittedly they do say they regret getting them, that this was a mistake. But it's mixed in with giggling about how much they hate them, so they might regret it, but there is zero remorse.

Family member enjoys the finer things in life & having a pristine house/backyard is v.important to them. Things like a hole dug, or a houseplant ripped up become massive dramas to them. Things that I would say are normal pup behaviour, especially one left alone.

Family member starts talking about rehoming the dog. This caused a scene where I said if they did this I would never forgive them & said if they do this, they had best not get a dog again.

I eventually decide that enough is enough & take the pup, even though this has pushed me to capacity & impacted my dog rescue operations, as pup takes the place of another, so can now help save less dogs.

Within 2 weeks pup's behaviour has improved dramatically - Still spirited, but eager to please, highly trainable. If she were my only dog she'd be a breeze basically. Everyone we meet enjoys her. She has stopped jumping up on people, great.

Family member is now denying that I ever told them not to purchase a puppy from Gumtree. They have form for denying events which have happened, but to say this is laughable, as anyone who knows me will tell you how I feel about #adoptdontshop

They recently admit they paid over $1500 cash for the pup. They claim they told me how much the pup cost. I know they didn't or would remember this 100%. I am disgusted.

AIBU to find their actions unforgiveable? That the dog is symbolic of their fickle, shallow nature? That they don't enjoy things that are too hard or not fun anymore, that this highlight a serious personality flaw in them?

The other day they sent me a snarky message that I don't ask how they are enough. I wrote back was too busy looking after their impulse purchase & have been very cool with them since.

How do I get over this? How would you deal with this situation? Am I being too harsh on them?

They say they thought the dog would grow on them & that this is just an unfortunate situation. To me this was a series of poor choices & attitude, which is not really an unfortunate "situation"

Please advise or give my head a wobble, because am feeling a lot of anger & hate towards family member here.

TIA

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FictionalCharacter · 26/10/2021 10:31

Yes, unforgivable and I'd not be speaking to them much in future, if at all. I totally understand why you didn't want them to rehome the dog themselves, they would have given it to anyone. I can't stand people like this.

tickledtiger · 26/10/2021 10:35

Dickheads will be dickheads op. Sometimes it’s best not to struggle against someone who will never change and just accept they’re a dickhead. You might forgive her later but what’s the hurry.

It sounds like the dog will be happy with you.

smoko · 26/10/2021 10:43

Also I won't be rehoming the dog.

Would you have a child & rehome them just because they inconvenienced your life or developed unexpected personality traits? Or would you accept your new life? Learn to grow & adapt to the unexpected change in your circumstance?

The way people talk about characteristics of dogs & pick breeds to suit, imagine if we spoke of children this way & placed them to order.

Am sure many would love to be able to have open gender & trait selection of their kids & would jump at this given the chance! But there are very good moral reasons why we don't allow this for children, though

"I want a blond haired, green eyed girl who is quiet, enjoys long walks & is known for her docile temperament"

My point is people place so much importance on the "right" type of dog, yet go & have kids which there is NO guarantee of who they will be. That to me is pretty odd.

You choose to have a kid> You're expected to love them for who they are. But a dog has an annoying puppy/teenager stage & gets the boot because they're too hard!

My brain can't reconcile or understand this. But I once moved into my van to ensure my dogs stayed with me & don't have the responsibility of kids, so this was admittedly an easy decision which understand isn't an option for most.

I would rather be homeless than give up my dogs & have done that. They didn't suffer for it. I have also had periods of bad mental health & my dogs went to live with my folks, they were treated wonderfully. Sadly, that is no longer an option due to my feelings of resentment now, but will cope.

My dogs are my family. New dog is part of our family now. She will not be rehomed & is quite enjoying van life! Am really proud of her for adapting so well, think the shakeup of her routine has really helped.

Also the co-sleeping, in my world we throw away the rule books & dogs are on bed with me. I find it helps an insecure dog to feel part of the pack. One knows to wait till am asleep, then squirrel under the covers!

Many say this is disgusting, but then enjoy co-sleeping with their kids. We like it, it works for us. The dogs definitely enjoy it, sometimes they choose to go into the loungeroom & sleep on the one chair they aren't allowed on. I don't care, love terrier cheekiness.

No to rehoming her! I think I love her already.

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LittleDandelionClock · 26/10/2021 12:04

@smoko

You sound irrationally angry and annoyed with other posters who are making perfectly valid points, and asking perfectly valid questions, and you are coming across like no-one can possibly know about any of this better than you, and you are the ultimate animal lover!

Yes of course people will adopt a dog or cat if they can, (from a rescue shelter,) rather than buy one out of the paper, or off a friend of a friend, but sometimes adopting from a dogs/cats home doesn't work out.

I have heard endless tales about these places putting every obstacle possible in the way of people who want to adopt.

Like I said earlier, reasons ranging from the dog or cat not being able to go to a home with a MAN there, or another dog, or a cat, or children under 13, to them having to have 8 ft high steel fences so said doggo can't get out and get harmed, and having to be more than 300 yards away from a main road. (This is in the UK!)

And we all get it, you are not rehoming the dog. Your OP did not say that, and that is what many people were responding to. Good for you! But you are taking your ire and frustration on the wrong people. Many people on here are animal lovers and adore their pets. Your posts seem to ooze with 'I love animals, and my pets WAY more than anyone on here,' and your posts come across as a bit snippy and slightly sanctimonious.

Viviennemary · 26/10/2021 12:08

They are complete idiots. Just don't engage with them. They're annoyed because they know they made an almighty mess of things but they sound the type that won't ever admit it.

smoko · 26/10/2021 12:21

@LittleDandelionClock I am passionate about animal rescue & make no apologies for that.

I disagree that "of course" people will adopt animals if they can. I tend to think most people want a cuddly cute puppy.

I also earlier was agreeing with you that some rescues can put too many obstacles in place when it comes to applying to adopt & concede this is why many people are put off the adoption route, due to previous negative experience when trying to adopt.

I love my dogs as you would a child & animal welfare is something am passionate about. Haven't meant to come across as santimonious. I know am an animal nut. You're probably nuts about your kids too.

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Sparklfairy · 26/10/2021 12:23

I couldn't forgive them. Many years ago as a late teen I convinced my DM that we should get a dog. There were many, MANY times we all regretted it. But we had committed to giving an animal at home and we all stepped up. My sister gets kittens on a whim because she likes them, when they grow up she gets another one. Then she moves around the country and some have disappeared or been unsettled in the new environment. It's cruel and selfish and I have very little to do with her. I would love a cat but my flat is tiny and it wouldn't be what is best for an animal. It astounds me that people treat pets like accessories that they discard when they become inconvenient.

LittleDandelionClock · 26/10/2021 12:25

Fair enough @smoko No hard feelings. Guess you're just super passionate about your four legged friends!!! Grin

And once again, good on you for taking the dog on. Sounds like doggo will be much better off with you. Smile

smoko · 26/10/2021 12:27

@Viviennemary I think what's annoying me as well is that she has told every friend & family member that the dog is crazy, feral, a nuisance. So now people see her in a sympathetic light.

She has spread rumours about them basically! (know that's a funny thing to say about a dog & am laughing as type that)

The rumours have worked & she's managed to cover her own arse, without looking like a person who gave up on their dog.

They don't see the truth of how she treated the dog & that the dog's behaviour is a symptom of her weak ass leadership.

It plays into how I feel they could be quite cruel to me in secret, but everyone else sees them as a good/kind person.

Am starting to think she will in time deny that she wanted to rehome the dog & will say I insisted on taking her..... am sure in time her version of how I ended up with the dog will be different to reality.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 12:31

@Sparklfairy haha imagine many pet & parent owners look around & wonder "what have we done?!"

Maybe you could get a smaller pet who doesn't realise they're in a flat.... bunny? Hamster?

That's sad your sister is that way, it's just all too common hey.

I often joke to my dogs that they'll be the death of me!

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smoko · 26/10/2021 12:32

@LittleDandelionClock cheers & know am full on, thanks for understanding.

She seems happy with the result Smile

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FictionalCharacter · 26/10/2021 12:33

[quote smoko]@LittleDandelionClock I am passionate about animal rescue & make no apologies for that.

I disagree that "of course" people will adopt animals if they can. I tend to think most people want a cuddly cute puppy.

I also earlier was agreeing with you that some rescues can put too many obstacles in place when it comes to applying to adopt & concede this is why many people are put off the adoption route, due to previous negative experience when trying to adopt.

I love my dogs as you would a child & animal welfare is something am passionate about. Haven't meant to come across as santimonious. I know am an animal nut. You're probably nuts about your kids too.[/quote]
I agree, an awful lot of people want a cuddly cute puppy, and often a fashionable breed - there are so many labracockerdoodlepoo types around right now. There will always be people who don’t give enough thought to what the dog will be like as an adult and what its needs will be. There’s also the risk that the dog will not grow up to be typical of its breed, so you might end up with a dog that’s more lively/ less affectionate etc. than you expected.

I don’t blame rescues at all for having stringent requirements. Their dogs have already been through a traumatic experience, they don’t want people adopting them then handing them back, or not being able to give them the right environment to be happy.

smoko · 26/10/2021 12:59

@FictionalCharacter yes, it's sad but they must be strict to prevent trauma to the dogs.

My point was more that smaller rescues often have different (yet also stringent) rules about who they adopt to. So one rescue may say no because you live in a flat - another may assess that your lifestyle is active, or that the dog is of low energy & accept you.

It's an unregulated industry & up to the individual rescue.

The reason why am so passionate about senior dog rescue is that you get a much better idea of the dog's personality & even when they've been surrendered they are often already toilet trained, or can sit etc....

But sadly too many see them as potentially having health problems, so avoid seniors.

Ironically I've had to help rescue 2 infant French Bulldogs with deformities this month. So the designer dogs can often have expensive health issues due to the in-breeding.... whereas my adult/senior mutts have had no health issues.

It's the staffies I feel most sorry for.... small dogs here will be adopted out very quickly. The staffies are a dime a dozen & lucky to get a place at a foster.

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FictionalCharacter · 26/10/2021 13:36

@smoko We adopted an elderly rescue and he does have health problems! Nothing really major but it’s taken a lot of work (and vet bills) to get him settled. The rescue weren’t helpful but we’ve managed, and he’s much loved and happy. He’ll be with us for life. No way would I have put him through another rehoming, he was clearly traumatised by losing his previous home and was extremely insecure, but he trusts us now. I fully understand that a lot of people are not in the position to do what we did, and I wouldn’t blame them for not considering an old dog or one with special needs, it was honestly hard going.

You’re doing great work!

smoko · 26/10/2021 13:47

@FictionalCharacter That's no good to hear he had health issues. Someone I know adopted a dog with epilepsy, but this was known at the time....

Also am not sure how old mine are, so they could develop health issues as they age more.

Guess the way I see it kids can end up with health issues/special needs so it's not something which I see as a problem as such....however expensive they are, always feel that kids must be more so!

Perhaps naively thought that because they're mutts they've gotten a mix of good genes & less likely to have a health issue, but this is likely not scientifically correct & more luck.

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