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AIBU to find this unforgiveable?

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smoko · 26/10/2021 07:05

First off am in animal rescue - so against the overbreeding of purebreds/designer dogs & trade of pets on Gumtree et al. Dog breeding rings/scams are an issue close to my heart.

A family member decided they wanted a dog. Adopting pets during Covid was understandably difficult.

They complained at the process of being interviewed to adopt a dog. I advised them to

  • Check FB groups for rehomings
  • Be proactive in calling rescue groups
  • Look at smaller rescues with more relaxed rules
  • Being patient & waiting until lockdowns eased & could enter pounds/shelters again

Family member does none of the above.

They decided to purchase a pup on Gumtree. They drove out the front of the home, a lady came out with a pup, handed pup to them through the car window & they drove off.

There was no viewing of the litter, the parents, reportedly no sounds of barking or dog activity coming from the home. The dog purchased is not the same dog in the ad.

I was hurt & unhappy, but this was their choice & came to terms with this.

It becames apparent quite quickly this dog is not the purebreed they were sold as, but a mix. The pup is "spirited" & grew twice the size one would expect. (Weighs approx 10kg so not a huge dog here, but not the lapdog they were sold as).

My family member became put off from the pup by the time they were about 12weeks old. I thought it was puppy blues (which is common & understandable). Family member becomes a grandparent at this time & entire focus becomes grandchild.

The pup became ignored, was left untrained & were admittedly very annoying & destructive.

Family member declined all advice to take dog to puppy pre-school, to try different techniques, to look on YouTube for advice (Eg: Cesar Milan, That UK show "It's me or the dog" etc).

By about 5 months they started to openly tell people they hated the dog. At first they seemed ashamed at their poor purchasing choices. It then started to become something of a joke to them. Basically the pup is now the scapegoat of the family. They refuse to tickle/cuddle dog, they throw food in a bowl twice a day & don't engage. They basically give the dog the silent treatment they are known for, which isn't a recommended form of behaviour for either humans or dogs!

I try to give advice like "when pup jumps up, step forward, don't cower. Step forward or turn your back to them" - they don't try this even once.

Their excuse is they "just don't click" with the dog & openly admit that all their attentions & love go to the grandchild, that they can't help but feel this way. They claim the dog is ugly, that they never once liked the look of her. They giggle about this, like it's cute & funny.

Admittedly they do say they regret getting them, that this was a mistake. But it's mixed in with giggling about how much they hate them, so they might regret it, but there is zero remorse.

Family member enjoys the finer things in life & having a pristine house/backyard is v.important to them. Things like a hole dug, or a houseplant ripped up become massive dramas to them. Things that I would say are normal pup behaviour, especially one left alone.

Family member starts talking about rehoming the dog. This caused a scene where I said if they did this I would never forgive them & said if they do this, they had best not get a dog again.

I eventually decide that enough is enough & take the pup, even though this has pushed me to capacity & impacted my dog rescue operations, as pup takes the place of another, so can now help save less dogs.

Within 2 weeks pup's behaviour has improved dramatically - Still spirited, but eager to please, highly trainable. If she were my only dog she'd be a breeze basically. Everyone we meet enjoys her. She has stopped jumping up on people, great.

Family member is now denying that I ever told them not to purchase a puppy from Gumtree. They have form for denying events which have happened, but to say this is laughable, as anyone who knows me will tell you how I feel about #adoptdontshop

They recently admit they paid over $1500 cash for the pup. They claim they told me how much the pup cost. I know they didn't or would remember this 100%. I am disgusted.

AIBU to find their actions unforgiveable? That the dog is symbolic of their fickle, shallow nature? That they don't enjoy things that are too hard or not fun anymore, that this highlight a serious personality flaw in them?

The other day they sent me a snarky message that I don't ask how they are enough. I wrote back was too busy looking after their impulse purchase & have been very cool with them since.

How do I get over this? How would you deal with this situation? Am I being too harsh on them?

They say they thought the dog would grow on them & that this is just an unfortunate situation. To me this was a series of poor choices & attitude, which is not really an unfortunate "situation"

Please advise or give my head a wobble, because am feeling a lot of anger & hate towards family member here.

TIA

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SmileyClare · 26/10/2021 08:44

@Piapiano

It definitely sounds as though their treatment of the dog brings up a lot of feelings about how they treated you and their attitude to you. Also perhaps the fact that they are clearing going against your own deeply held values as someone who runs a dog rescue. You're totally right to feel anger towards them but ultimately these feelings will only damage you, rather than them. I really would recommend counselling to get to the bottom of how you feel about your parents in general. Forgiveness is for the benefit of the wronged person, not the perpetrator. I think it would be massively beneficial to your own life to work through some of these feelings with a counsellor.
I think these are wise words, and great advice.

Did you receive any sort of therapy after your losing your own dog and having a breakdown? Were your parents supportive during that difficult time? I think you have a few issues to unpick.

I wish you well and hope you can move towards your own inner peace x

Tagcurious · 26/10/2021 08:45

It seems to me that you consider your morality and self worth to be based upon your love of dogs. You believe yourself to be a superior person because you love dogs more than other people. You were prepared to lose your job, your income and let down your employer because you lost your dog. I think your relative’s treatment of the dog was appalling but you need counselling to get some perspective back into your life.

Deathraystare · 26/10/2021 08:46

@smoko

I advised them to Look at smaller rescues with more relaxed rules

Well why did you do that? There are rules for a reason. And unfortunately, I reckon a lot of dogs even from a reputable shelter where bought as 'Covid' companions and have lost their novelty by now, especially if people are going back to work and leave a barking, howling dog they never bothered to train at home all day. Fuckers.

Interested in this thread?

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TrickOrTreat21x · 26/10/2021 08:47

Of course they need to rehome the dog they don't care about it! It deserves a decent home!

YANBU though I have a family member who gets a new animal every 6 months.. 6 months later they rehome it and get a new one and the cycle repeats endlessly. I don't talk to them anymore due to it.

smoko · 26/10/2021 08:52

@SevenZebrasDancing oh cheers, have not known many kelpies & will look into specifics of training working dogs, as just doing what has worked before, but it may not be the right approach for her.

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Waahingwashingwashing · 26/10/2021 08:53

This is a mess.

You value your life via dogs and you now have a few dogs in an apartment? What do your neighbours think?

Why didn’t you let your mother re-home the dog?

TheOccupier · 26/10/2021 08:57

I think you are so upset about this because it mirrors the way you feel your mother treated you in the past. I think the best way of getting past this situation is to give that dog all the love you feel you have missed out on and see this as the universe giving you an opportunity to healing your childhood trauma.

And yes, your mother sounds like an irresponsible, selfish arsehole, and you may want to consider reducing how much contact you have with her. But you probably knew that already.

smoko · 26/10/2021 08:59

@Deathraystare because a lot of bigger rescues do have very inflexible rules. Eg if you don’t have a yard, no dog for you

Dogs can live in apartments if you have an active lifestyle!

An individual rescue often is able to judge each person on their individual merits.

I get why the rules are there but also feel the inflexibility puts a lot of people off & they end up buying dogs instead.

I have always gotten my dogs from the pound where if you have the money they are yours no Qs asked. That also isn’t good - but most people want to pick their dog, not be told what dog they can have.

Also a lot of the dogs on says rspca website aren’t even the actual dogs available, speaking to a smaller rescue can mean more options & different process.

Smaller rescues have rules too! What’s wrong with suggesting a smaller rescue? I think the RSPCA in my country has a lot to answer for in regards to animal welfare.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 09:05

@Waahingwashingwashing I have answered multiple times why I didn’t want them rehoming the dog themselves

I live in housing commission so they don’t care how many dogs I have & they have a lot more freedom than in a regular rental. 2 are small seniors & now have another small but boisterous puppy!

I luckily didn’t have to clear getting a 3rd dog as the Houso doesn’t care. Also with my rescue dog transport am often on the road & living van life so the dogs are in the van & out at parks/beaches a lot of the time.

Like if you live in an apartment but go to the beach daily, is that so bad for a dog?

I have a newfound respect for those who have 3 children - how do you do it ladies!

With 3 it feels like one is constantly getting up to mischief & have to keep your eyes peeled

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smoko · 26/10/2021 09:08

@TheOccupier wow thanks…that’s a great way to look at it & have had a few little “talks” with pup about how sorry I am she was treated unfairly & not to worry as we will have a fun life together

Smile
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User983590521 · 26/10/2021 09:11

You've clearly had past problems with the family member and this has brought it all back to you.
You've improved the situation as well as you can, for the dog, and she is much happier and well-behaved.
Could you now re-home the dog, as you didn't really want another dog in your household?

I think your family member is a lost cause, tho, and isn't likely to change.

TheSquashyHatOfMrGnosspelius · 26/10/2021 09:21

YANBU OP. Part of the reason you feel so passionately is that you have had a dog related trauma but nevertheless their treatment of this dog has been despicable.

My BIL is a 'sheep farmer' but he has no feel for it or animals at all an as a consequence the animals suffer in my opinion. BIL asked my DDad to help out on the farm one day and he was so shocked at how the animals were treated he came away and never spoke to BIL again. DDad was as countryside as it gets and started working on a farm when he was 14. He was chock full of empathy. I havn't spoken to BIL and 'D'Sis for nearly twenty years I dislike them so much. Like you I can't be fake. They are a pair of wankers and I hate them. Now and again I get a message on FB but I don't answer as I literally cannot bear them. They usually only get in touch with people if they want something.

LittleDandelionClock · 26/10/2021 09:30

@smoko Yeah you have done the right thing, and these people should not be allowed a dog. You need to try getting him re-homed now. Or at least take him to a dogs trust/dogs home - I don't know where you live so I can't direct your to ours.

I don't think it's great to buy pets off gumtree, or anywhere else on the internet, but I never get this #adoptdontshop thing. We are always being told we must get rescue dogs and rescue cats, but if we all did that, where would all the newborn puppies and kittens go? Confused

Are people meant to give their newborn puppies and kittens to shelters, to languish in there until they are fortunate enough to be 'adopted?' And if they're not, they are put to sleep?

I just find the 'ALWAYS USE A SHELTER AND ALWAYS GET A RESCUE PET' attitude a bit odd tbh. Not least because of how the shelters make it so incredibly hard to adopt a dog or a cat. I have known people be turned down because a MAN lived in the house, because another dog lived there, because a CAT lived there, because there was more than one child, because there were children under 13, because they lived in a house that was less than 300 yards from a main road, and all sorts of daft reasons.

LaurieFairyCake · 26/10/2021 09:35

Oh they're total cunts AngryAngryAngry

I HATE them so much

You've done an amazing thing, please lavish the dog with all the love you can and do the training so when you rehome the dog has the best chance with the 3rd household of its young life Sad

You're great ThanksThanksThanks
(Never see them again, tell everyone why)

Busybee5000 · 26/10/2021 09:39

@SickAndTiredAgain

Family member starts talking about rehoming the dog. This caused a scene where I said if they did this I would never forgive them

I know you have now taken the dog, but I don’t really understand this attitude. Rehoming it sounds like the one good thing they could have done for that dog (obviously only if they rehomed it properly, which I appreciate may have been unlikely). Their actions prior to that were unacceptable.

Yes i thought the same, glad that you have the dog now OP,
smoko · 26/10/2021 09:50

@LittleDandelionClock You're taking #adoptdontshop a bit too literally. It promotes adoption over purchasing puppies

Obivously there will still be people that want puppies

Also many rescue dogs are already knocked up so there are still puppies around

More people adopting & aware of it hopefully means less backyard breeders & irresponsible people looking to make a quick & easy buck by having their dog churn out litter of puppies

We have to do something to offset what breeders/pet shops promote, which is that "You don't know what you're getting at the pound"

It's a hashtag with a catchy sound - I really think you're looking at it too simplistically

"What will happen to all the kittens & puppies?!"

Well maybe less unneeded litters, less random people choosing to not desex their pet in the hopes they can make a quick buck. Less backyard breeding....

Just.... less of it. It will never go away.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 09:52

Also the new trend now is for people to say "I want to adopt a puppy!";

What they really mean is they want to buy a puppy but use the term "adopt" to make them feel better about their decision

So it means the adopt don't shop movement is working, Buying a kitten or puppy is finally not being seen as the "better" option.

Still gets my goat getting messages weekly from people looking to "adopt a puppy".

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Waahingwashingwashing · 26/10/2021 09:53

But you still have to pay when you get a puppy from a rescue or the pound.

smoko · 26/10/2021 10:06

@Waahingwashingwashing Yes, this is is a nominal fee of about $300 (ballpark) to prevent dog fighting rings from using them as bait dogs.

This fee also goes towards to ongoing care the rescue does. Are rescues meant to operate with no finances? $300 isn't making a profit off an animal, when their care & meals will have cost more than this.

This is why it's ill advised to try to rehome your dog for free - people often do this with good intentions, but it attracts people who may use your pet for awful deeds.

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Waahingwashingwashing · 26/10/2021 10:07

I was only making the point that you do still have to pay. I have two rescues myself.

smoko · 26/10/2021 10:10

@Waahingwashingwashing I'm aware of that. I run a rescue related non-profit. They're not just handing out puppies & kittens for free. The fee paid is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost & time it takes to rescue & rehabilitate

We can't run on fresh air & well wishes.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 10:11

Also does this mean because you have to pay a rescue a fee to adopt that you may as well pay a backyard breeder?

If so think you're missing the point of what a adopting a rescue dog is actually about.

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Waahingwashingwashing · 26/10/2021 10:15

I never said ANY of that I was just pointing out that there is a cost to getting a dog from a rescue.

smoko · 26/10/2021 10:24

@Waahingwashingwashing why do you feel the need to school someone who is in rescue on what rescues do? Of course I know that. Bit patronising.

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Waahingwashingwashing · 26/10/2021 10:29

I wasn’t schooling you. I was just saying.