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AIBU to find this unforgiveable?

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smoko · 26/10/2021 07:05

First off am in animal rescue - so against the overbreeding of purebreds/designer dogs & trade of pets on Gumtree et al. Dog breeding rings/scams are an issue close to my heart.

A family member decided they wanted a dog. Adopting pets during Covid was understandably difficult.

They complained at the process of being interviewed to adopt a dog. I advised them to

  • Check FB groups for rehomings
  • Be proactive in calling rescue groups
  • Look at smaller rescues with more relaxed rules
  • Being patient & waiting until lockdowns eased & could enter pounds/shelters again


Family member does none of the above.

They decided to purchase a pup on Gumtree. They drove out the front of the home, a lady came out with a pup, handed pup to them through the car window & they drove off.

There was no viewing of the litter, the parents, reportedly no sounds of barking or dog activity coming from the home. The dog purchased is not the same dog in the ad.

I was hurt & unhappy, but this was their choice & came to terms with this.

It becames apparent quite quickly this dog is not the purebreed they were sold as, but a mix. The pup is "spirited" & grew twice the size one would expect. (Weighs approx 10kg so not a huge dog here, but not the lapdog they were sold as).

My family member became put off from the pup by the time they were about 12weeks old. I thought it was puppy blues (which is common & understandable). Family member becomes a grandparent at this time & entire focus becomes grandchild.

The pup became ignored, was left untrained & were admittedly very annoying & destructive.

Family member declined all advice to take dog to puppy pre-school, to try different techniques, to look on YouTube for advice (Eg: Cesar Milan, That UK show "It's me or the dog" etc).

By about 5 months they started to openly tell people they hated the dog. At first they seemed ashamed at their poor purchasing choices. It then started to become something of a joke to them. Basically the pup is now the scapegoat of the family. They refuse to tickle/cuddle dog, they throw food in a bowl twice a day & don't engage. They basically give the dog the silent treatment they are known for, which isn't a recommended form of behaviour for either humans or dogs!

I try to give advice like "when pup jumps up, step forward, don't cower. Step forward or turn your back to them" - they don't try this even once.

Their excuse is they "just don't click" with the dog & openly admit that all their attentions & love go to the grandchild, that they can't help but feel this way. They claim the dog is ugly, that they never once liked the look of her. They giggle about this, like it's cute & funny.

Admittedly they do say they regret getting them, that this was a mistake. But it's mixed in with giggling about how much they hate them, so they might regret it, but there is zero remorse.

Family member enjoys the finer things in life & having a pristine house/backyard is v.important to them. Things like a hole dug, or a houseplant ripped up become massive dramas to them. Things that I would say are normal pup behaviour, especially one left alone.


Family member starts talking about rehoming the dog. This caused a scene where I said if they did this I would never forgive them & said if they do this, they had best not get a dog again.

I eventually decide that enough is enough & take the pup, even though this has pushed me to capacity & impacted my dog rescue operations, as pup takes the place of another, so can now help save less dogs.

Within 2 weeks pup's behaviour has improved dramatically - Still spirited, but eager to please, highly trainable. If she were my only dog she'd be a breeze basically. Everyone we meet enjoys her. She has stopped jumping up on people, great.

Family member is now denying that I ever told them not to purchase a puppy from Gumtree. They have form for denying events which have happened, but to say this is laughable, as anyone who knows me will tell you how I feel about #adoptdontshop

They recently admit they paid over $1500 cash for the pup. They claim they told me how much the pup cost. I know they didn't or would remember this 100%. I am disgusted.

AIBU to find their actions unforgiveable? That the dog is symbolic of their fickle, shallow nature? That they don't enjoy things that are too hard or not fun anymore, that this highlight a serious personality flaw in them?

The other day they sent me a snarky message that I don't ask how they are enough. I wrote back was too busy looking after their impulse purchase & have been very cool with them since.

How do I get over this? How would you deal with this situation? Am I being too harsh on them?

They say they thought the dog would grow on them & that this is just an unfortunate situation. To me this was a series of poor choices & attitude, which is not really an unfortunate "situation"

Please advise or give my head a wobble, because am feeling a lot of anger & hate towards family member here.

TIA
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AdelindSchade · 26/10/2021 08:01

Op you might be better posting in relationships and there is a long running thread on there which supports people who have difficult relationships with parents Is called 'but we took you to stately homes' or something similar. This is about the dog but also not. I agree with you I would find it very difficult to have a meaningful relationship with someone who behaves like this let alone a parent. Meanwhile ignore any posts on here which are missing the point of your situation.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:03

@Veterinari I told them to cal a dog trainer. They didn’t. So thought a tv show was a better option as they might engage with it.

Is there anyone on tv you can suggest?

I like Victoria! What have you got against her?

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Veterinari · 26/10/2021 08:04

[quote smoko]@Veterinari I agree about celebrity dog training, just thought something was better Than nothing. We have always enjoyed watching those shows. I thought they would inspire her & be an easily digestible format

Someone who is lazy & unengaged won’t take time to read a book or watch something boring.[/quote]
You recommended abusive training because you thought something was better than nothing? Confused

There are loads of short, digestible appropriate dog training resources (dogs trust, kikopup, fear free, Sophia Yin)

Look at it this way, at least the previous owner didn't abuse the dog based on your suggestions, and now they've rehomed it, you have time to use more appropriate training methods. Win-win.

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HeartsAndClubs · 26/10/2021 08:05

They sound like idiots but you sound like a bit of a martyr when talking about how you felt forced to take the dog meaning that less dogs will be rescued now.

Also you sound unbearably smug when actually Caesar Milan was discredited decades ago, so if you’re using his techniques to train this dog then you’re not as far removed from them as you think.

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Veterinari · 26/10/2021 08:06

I like Victoria! What have you got against her?

Nothing, I'm sure she's a nice person. But I tend to look for informed evidence based trainers. Her newer website positively is fine.

But you mentioned 'its me or the dog' that show is ancient and the methods inappropriate.

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Practicebeingpatient · 26/10/2021 08:08

The best thing for that poor dog was to be rehomed while it was still young. Why on earth didn't you help them find it a good home for it when they first suggested it?

I agree they sound impulsive, ignorant and irresponsible but it also sounds like you pushed an awful lot of unwanted 'advice' on them and took it very personally when they chose to ignore you. Even now, when you have achieved your desired aim and the dog is safe and happy, you still want to be seen and acknowledged as having been right all along.

By your own admission this poor dog has gone from one family that couldn't cope and didn't want it to another household where you are coping very well but still don't want it.

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SmileyClare · 26/10/2021 08:09

their unwillingness to love someone as they are

You seem to be viewing the dog as a symbol of how you feel rejected by your parents? Confused This runs a lot deeper than adopting their dog.

Added to that, you are feeling deep resentment for taking on this puppy. The best option would have been for you to re home the dog yourself, that's still something to consider.

Presumably if you work at an animal rescue(?) you are frequently seeing dogs who come to you in similar circumstances (owners made ill thought out decisions, regretting getting a dog, couldn't cope with its demands). Do you feel the same level of anger towards these owners?

Your parents actions in buying a dog, regretting it and reforming it are forgivable. However, I think you hold resentment towards them for wider issues.

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MamsellMarie · 26/10/2021 08:13

They are selfish and ignorant - not much you can do about it.
Train up dog and give to nice home.
Get a new dog when you are ready.

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ittakes2 · 26/10/2021 08:15

They don't sound great but you have also painted yourself as sitting on a high perch preaching! When they wanted to sell the dog you should have let them. My husband taught me that if you are going to do a good deed don't complain about it because it undermines the good deed you are doing.

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SmileyClare · 26/10/2021 08:15

Sorry i meant "rehoming" not reforming!

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girlmom21 · 26/10/2021 08:19

This isn't really about the dog, is it?
The way they treated the dog isn't great but she's with you now.
It seems like this runs much deeper and has made you realised how cold they were towards you.

It's that which you need to focus on. Can you forgive them for the way they treated you?

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ElftonWednesday · 26/10/2021 08:25

YANBU. I imagine when they said they were rehoming the dog it was the last straw. They sound like lazy, feckless bullies and I would have as little to do with them as possible.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:25

I run a dog rescue so yes, having 1 extra dog means 1 less dog a week I can transport to their foster / forever home

Sounds like it’s time for some new dog trainer to have a show then that is approved by modern standards!

I use cesar’s method to make dog sit & wait for food in a circle & the “tss” sound when you want dog. I saw him live & we enjoyed it so as I said, thought this might inspire her to start engaging in training.

I can’t recall anything in any program that was visibly cruel? It’s been a long time since watched those shows & sorry for my ignorance.

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SevenZebrasDancing · 26/10/2021 08:27

I feel you are too emmeshed with these people (parents or whoever else). You are clearly cauight up in a cycle of pain and rejection and anger with them. I'd step back and go low contact or no contact for your own peace of mind tbh. They sound ghastly and they bring nothing to your sense of inner peace.

Plus we need a pic of the pooch. :)

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:27

@ittakes2 I’m not sure I agree with your “hubby’s” advice.

I think you can do a good deed but also be upset.

I really can’t stand the term “hubby” Grin

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HoppingPavlova · 26/10/2021 08:28

You need to go to counselling. Your parent got a dog. They neglected the dog and wanted to rehome it. That’s utterly shit but it was a dog literally in an abusive situation and you wanted the dog to stay in that situation - knowing it would not change, no training etc. It’s all really hard to understand.

If you thought they wouldn’t rehome it appropriately, you could have just taken on this aspect as opposed to taking the dog yourself and playing the martyr card. Sometimes the absolute best course of action for an animal is to be rehomed rather than remain in an abusive/neglectful situation.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:32

@girlmom21 thanks this has resonated with me.

I could forgive them if they thought they had done something wrong & we’re sorry

But you can’t ever say “something you have done has hurt me”

Or they will say “well sorry I was such an awful mother!”

I feel with the dog she knows she has behaved poorly deep down but won’t admit it, is hiding behind it “not being a good fit”

It’s very hard to get them to admit to any wrongdoings so the dog is a tangible example of the “truth” I guess

Like it’s hard to ignore or forget about because she is here & real, a reminder of how mean they can be

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:33

@SevenZebrasDancing thanks for this advice…

Pup is like a Jack Russell on stilts with maybe cattle dog or kelpie in the mix at a guess 😂

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Piapiano · 26/10/2021 08:34

It definitely sounds as though their treatment of the dog brings up a lot of feelings about how they treated you and their attitude to you. Also perhaps the fact that they are clearing going against your own deeply held values as someone who runs a dog rescue. You're totally right to feel anger towards them but ultimately these feelings will only damage you, rather than them. I really would recommend counselling to get to the bottom of how you feel about your parents in general. Forgiveness is for the benefit of the wronged person, not the perpetrator. I think it would be massively beneficial to your own life to work through some of these feelings with a counsellor.

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SevenZebrasDancing · 26/10/2021 08:35

I would imagine a kelpie mix needs some fairly skilled training if they are not going to go off the rails!

I am glad you have her now.

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gogohm · 26/10/2021 08:39

Unfortunately during lockdown people rushed to get pets, especially dogs with no consideration of the long term impact on their lives nor without making a plan for training. I have trained dogs fully, it takes a lot of work to get to proper obedience (my dog achieved the gold award).

Your story is being replicated across the country

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Piapiano · 26/10/2021 08:40

By the way, you'll probably never get them to admit any wrongdoing. It doesn't sound like they are self-aware or emotionally secure people so they cannot admit they have done something wrong as it is too psychologically painful for them to admit even to themselves. Someone who is emotionally secure is able to take an objective look at their behaviour and freely admit to making mistakes without condemning themselves. You are fighting a losing battle if you think you will ever get to acknowledge how awful their behaviour has been.

I've experienced something similar with my parents and how they treated/treat me and honestly after counselling I feel more or less free from the pain and hurt of it as I actually just feel sorry for them now. It does still hurt when I compare the life my DC have with how I was treated but I'm glad that I can put it all behind me and move on freely without dragging a pile of junk around with me everywhere, if that makes sense. I feel like the counselling helped me to set myself free from my parents behaviour and they have much less power to hurt me any more.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:41

@HoppingPavlova maybe you’re right about counselling.

But you’re wrong in that dog was not abused - emotionally neglected, not abuse.

Just realise this is how I feel about myself. They didn’t abuse me, just neglected me emotionally….

The thing is a dog can’t play those human mind games!

However not sure you have read my replies - I took the dog & responsibility of rehoming her!

It was a battle to get them to agree to give me the dog as they thought it would be “too much” for me

The dog is microchipped to them so I had to have them agree for me to take her, which took some time

In the meantime I knew she was safe & full belly, sitting by a warm fire at night.

I would never leave any animal in an abusive situation.

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smoko · 26/10/2021 08:43

Thank you @Piapiano for your insightful & kind message, it’s given me lots to think about

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