ADs and The Brave New World

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When you kind of hope that a new thread meanders on quietly because it means that life is being fairly stable...

What are ADs?

Here's the copy and paste job...

Definition of AD
^AD stands for anti dementor.
There are creatures in Harry Potter called dementors, who suck all hope and happiness from you and eventually take your soul. Way back at the start of the pandemic thread after thread was posted on by posters like this and anyone who'd dare question anything or disagree with anything (like putting cheese in your coffee) was bullied off these threads. And so any actual discussion disappeared and it became an echo chamber of misery.^

We are the antidote to that. We follow the rules, but not the "roolz" and we question and discuss with respect to each other. It's all very civil.

Johnson should have paid more attention at school, then he would have known about Millgram’s experiments!

@NannyGythaOgg

I suspect one of BJs thought processes at the moment is pretty similar to ours. 'If only people hadn't been so compliant and there had been more outrage early on, most of the over reaction wouldn't have happened and I wouldn't be in this shit now because most people would have been doing the same'.

that's an uncomfortable idea!

Slight difference that we're not the bastards that invented the bloody rules, had the means to change them far sooner than they did, or terrified the masses into submission.

Earlier today I came across the driving the autistic child to the beach thread from early April 2020 and the amount of bile and misinformation on that thread (which was typical for the time)... I commented, and I can still stand by my words. This is why I haven't name changed in a long time. I clearly had a lot more patience at that point though! At least since the tide turned, I see other people expressing my points of view as fairly mainstream and I don't have to speak out like I once did.

@110APiccadilly

Well, I can't tell anyone in RL this yet, because it's very early days, but I am very excited - Piccalilli is going to be a big sister in September if all goes well.

Congratulations!

Anyone else completely unbothered by more party revelations?

I think I have reached peak cynicism and lost a bit of my respect for the Queen too. Looking again at the photo of her at the funeral, she didn’t have to sit alone. She could have had someone from her household, her Lady in Waiting or similar sat with her.

The fact is, she and her advisers chose to tell other widowed people that mourning alone was ‘the right thing’. She could have sent a ‘this is how to mourn and support each other within the rules’ message, but she didn’t.

That photo was cropped, staged, cruel and unnecessary propaganda of the finest type.

The propaganda has been appalling.

I too don't care what Boris lot did it's oar for the course with government these days. Blair opened the floodgates before then it was more of a trickle. Civil servants have scant respect for MPs they come and go.

I waded through the honours list it's a sickening read of back patting brown nosers with the odd worthy recipient thrown in

Yup! I once knew a very ambitious, intelligent and influential man. His ideal job was as a Permanent Secretary within Parliament , able to influence and in power whatever the colour of Government.

I am not so much unbothered as unsurprised.

I'm unsurprised by the continuing revelations and the extra details to make them more shocking (on the eve of the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral). If they had one party, it shouldn't be a surprise they had several.

I remember my parents commenting about how sloppy Whitehall was with blackout arrangements in WW2, when ordinary folk had them rigidly enforced. There's not much new 'under the sun'.

Regarding Covid, I did what I thought was appropriate to try to stop the spread of a nasty disease, not because someone else, even someone in charge of the rules, was, but because I felt it was right. Sometimes I was dependent on another person's judgement, eg not visiting my friend in a care home where the manager wasn't allowing visitors. I was aware that other people judged differently and were behaving differently, but I didn't let that influence what I thought right.

Throughout those months, however, I was actually doing something far more 'dangerous' than spending a few hours drinking and chatting with workmates. I spent days standing talking to thousands of total strangers, all unvaccinated, or partly vaccinated, as I was volunteering in a vaccine centre. At meal breaks a lot of us would gather together in a fairly small area and eat and drink and chat. I heard someone on the radio saying that the poor NHS angels 'couldn't even have a sandwich together'. Well, to my certain knowledge they could. And from their conversation it sounded as if they did when at their usual jobs, too.

I'm so sad to hear so much outrage at what 'other people' did, so long after the early scary days of Covid, where we didn't know what we were up against and over-reaction wasn't so unreasonable.

I'm so sad to hear so much outrage at what 'other people' did, so long after the early scary days of Covid, where we didn't know what we were up against and over-reaction wasn't so unreasonable

It's the fact that people kept it up after the first few weeks that is unreasonable. Some are still doing it now.

I have sympathy with people who are genuinely scared but that doesn't give them the right to complain about the behaviour of those who aren't.

@Worldgonecrazy

Yup! I once knew a very ambitious, intelligent and influential man. His ideal job was as a Permanent Secretary within Parliament , able to influence and in power whatever the colour of Government.

The person who assualted me wriggled into politics. I heard on the grapevine a few years later that he was backroom for a prominent MP.

I thought we were past this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4454441-Masks-in-the-school-playground

So many people not caring if its even effective as a measure.

It's completely symbolic. And I think it's harmful, actually.

@Taswama

I thought we were past this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4454441-Masks-in-the-school-playground

So many people not caring if its even effective as a measure.

Great, let’s teach our children to be the same blind unthinking rule followers that have helped create the shitshow in which we find ourselves!

Befehl ist Befehl, right?

@110APiccadilly

Befehl ist Befehl, right?

Ooooh naughty! Don’t you know you’re not allowed to suggest such things !!

When mum was end of life, there absolutely were medical staff who interpreted the rules for maximum patient benefit. I am forever grateful to those amazing people who helped us make the best we could of a terrible time.

And a plague of armpit lice upon those who interpreted the rules in the strictest and most inhumane way possible. There were work arounds, staff could have kept patients safe AND enabled time with relatives.

I have no idea how those who are just beginning to realise how cruel their actions were and who obeyed without question or pushback can look themselves in the mirror.

I would be wondering whether those people even realise how cruel their actions were. The human brain is very good and justifying actions.

I find people who say things like, "But it's the law," when discussing the morality of something very odd. All sorts of things have been the law, or are the law in other countries. Slavery used to be legal in the US (and in the UK, though you've got to go back much further). Women driving was illegal in Saudi Arabia a few years ago. I could go on.

Respect for the rule of law is a good thing (but doesn't mean you can never disobey the law). Blindly equating the current law with the right thing to do is not. (In fact, I'd argue that careful consideration of whether our laws are in fact the right ones is part of respect for the rule of law.)

Favourite Twitter quote today ‘Ferguson to be banned from using anything more complicated than an abacus.’

tbh, I am not sure he should be allowed an abacus. Maybe a tally stick and that's it.

Has anyone else seen this

mobile.twitter.com/BareReality/status/1484569388128874502

This is good on non-pharmaceutical interventions IE masks
twitter.com/snj_1970/status/1484500304519471105?s=20

If outdoor transmission is 1 case per 1000, and masks cut that by 10% and there's 150 parents on the playground (probably generous for our school considering siblings and wrap-around care) then the chance of unknowingly contagious parents on the playground to even start the risk of spreading... I'm not sure a single case has been avoided on our playground yet...
Then the parents are age 30-50 (tbh most y6 are early 40s) so with the mortality rates of this demographic I can safely say that statistically not one life has been saved by this virtue signalling batshittery.

OH had to see GP today fought for appointment hospital said that he should. Well we both have had a cold thanks grandson nursery. He was code red portacabin in the car park. Said to doctor LFT test negative,. GP said they're a waste of time if you've a snotty cold it's covid only a PCR is accurate. WTF

He's tested again this evening negative again so went out.

So what's the point of the LFT test then? Which he did to reassure doctor 🙄

[quote WrinklesShminkles]This is good on non-pharmaceutical interventions IE masks
twitter.com/snj_1970/status/1484500304519471105?s=20[/quote]
That summarises a lot of my resistance. A lot of things made no sense (e.g. filtration quality of badly fitting, unhygienically managed, unregulated masks) but also at 6-11 as my children have spanned this debacle (shit!! Never thought of it like that 6-8 and 9-11) and especially with DS1 having ASD, I was concerned early on with his ability to revert back to normal. He's already prone to being socially anxious so while we've done a bit more space in a queue for instance, I did not enforce social distancing of encounters like playing in a playground. It's already hard to get them focusing on instructions so it's no bad thing for them that my face is visible for communicating with them in public.

I have tried hard to manage what I say to them. It's the good old RE teacher routine, some people think this, some people think that. But both say they don't like it when teachers wear masks. Now DS1 is 11 I haven't said anything about him wearing them. With strong sensory processing issues he's legitimately exempt in his own right. I just hope that this is an issue dying down for the last time for him and primary school sheltered him from the worst of it compared to secondary.

As a random one, I've always liked smiling at babies. Recently I've noticed that they don't smile back; just don't react. If that is actually a thing that this cohort have lost that facial communication instinct, that is absolutely awful for them. In the early days they did, but we're now talking about a cohort with regular exposure to masks since birth.