Parents of teenagers. If you haven’t listened to all episodes of this yet then you are out of touch…

[Blessex]

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09yjmph

This stuff is absolutely important for everyone. It’s a shame that it had to be Male reporters who may be listened to rather than those of us here who rightly (ave been speaking up and researching for years. Why wouldn’t anyone be concerned about the loss of rights and words for women and the conflicts of interests in the major organisations ?

Not just parents of teenagers.

Parents of preeteens need to be ahead of this.

And teachers. Especially teachers.

@BulletandtheBullseye agree. Have sent to the headmaster of my kids school, mums in my street, my MP and his wife, the CEO of my global company, the diversity and inclusion champion of a big global advertising agency and all my friends and family. Send around :-)

Thanks for teaching me what I.Do.Not.Want.To.Listen.To

Sums it up really - fingers in ears, lalalalalalalala!

You do realise that someone who actually wants to be informed on an issue will listen to all sides and then come to their own conclusions?

Yes Blessex, I’ve told one prospective secondary school about this podcast already and will the other ones ASAP.

It’s not just about gender ideology either.

A publicly funded organisation should be transparent.

NDA’s are not transparent.

Forget where anyone sits on gender ideology, what happens if we sit back and allow public bodies to hide what they use public money for.

Thank you for the link. I have a free afternoon and am planning to listen.

Well this didn’t last long in AIBU…

........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're back in the Naughty Corner. This thread was started in AIBU, but hasn't been allowed to stay there.

And here is the AIBU transferred to the byways of FWR in remarkably quick time given the number of people saying that they've reported various threads and don't understand why they're still standing.

It's unlikely that people will listen until they're ready. And when they are ready, there will be outrage that 'the feminists were nowhere to be seen'. The outrage will not be accompanied by considering people's own role in curating what they were prepared to see/listen to or the role of others on social media sites who have been curating that for them by, for instance, having threads like this moved from AIBU.

Hahaha we are back on the naughty step. Women’s rights put in their place. SIT THERE AND BE QUIET

Ha ha. Good try.

It’s not a women’s rights thread surely op.

It’s a freedom of speech and the necessity of transparency in a free democracy, unbiased information reporting. And a lgbt+ issue. With safeguarding being a footnote.

The podcast isn’t titled women’s rights. It’s about stonewall’s influence on supposedly neutral bbc and ofcom. About the harm of a publicly funded political lobby group having the power to gag the regulatory body that’s supposed to ensure BBC’s neutrality.

That’s not women’s rights that’s everyone’s rights and freedoms.

We’re being gagged while discussing being gagged.

@BulletandtheBullseye well quite. We are witnessing a national scandal and are being marginalised when trying to discuss it. Maybe start a national scandal thread?

We’re being gagged while discussing being gagged.

Agreed. It's the power of lobbyists, the capture of mainstream organisations, and the remarkable influence that they have on what is reported and how it is reported.

It's deeply disturbing for anyone who cares about democracy and the likely options to it.

@CorrBlimeyGG

We will debate and critically evaluate.

No, you'll stay in your hateful echo chamber and ignore any differing views.

oh the irony given this thread got bumped straight over to FWR.

we're not allowed out, so come in, give your differing views - but be prepared to defend them eh?

you'll stay in your hateful echo chamber

Endlessly fascinating that some view women's rights as so utterly threatening that they're 'hateful'.

Also fascinating how swiftly threads that might illuminate information to other women must be rushed out of sight to the naughty corner before they have a chance to hear.

Apparently nice girls don't want equality or anything ugly and silly like that.

YeOldeTrout fortunately your ‘No debate’ agenda is now dead. We will debate and critically evaluate.

Thank you, Blessex, and thank god for women who won’t shut up.

Ty really national scandal.

That’s what I’ve been saying when passing this on to teachers.

‘Gosh did you hear the part about NSA’s? That’s really worrying why a charity would need an NDA? I wonder what they could be doing with public funds that needs hidden?’

Appealing to SAFEGUARDING doesn’t seem to be as effective as it should with teachers…. But subtly appealing to their future embarrassment and shame when this blows up and they reflect on how they were championing stonewall all over school websites/social media and they can’t hide away from that.

It shouldn’t need to be that way but it’s human nature to not want to be caught out looking stupid. No one wants to be late to the party or the last to realise that orange foundation and white polo necks aren’t a good look. No one wants to be scrambling to remove all traces of their embarrassing past from public view.

The fear of humiliation might be greater motivator than women’s rights, lesbian rights, children’s safeguarding, sterilisation of children (I can’t say what this screams but I’m sure you know), freedom of speech and democratic freedoms.

There are no words for how fucked that is.

Meant Yy re national scandal.

& NDA’s not NSA’s

Although you never know

@YeOldeTrout

It's recurring that someone comes on MN & tries to reshape this place to take up their soapbox issue. Does anyone recall Shami Chakrabarti's efforts to make MNers embrace her priorities?

The evangelical aspect is enough to put me off ever wanting to listen to any of them. Never mind how repeatedly obsessed MN posters are with trans people. How could I come on here sporadically and NOT be aware of your anti-trans campaign and viewpoints?

The obsession is not with trans people, but with the rights of women and girls. But if that is evangelical 'soapbox' for you, what is child protection?

Anyone concerned about children should listen to Dr David Bell, a distinguished psychiatrist and former president of the British Psychoanalytic Society who worked at the Tavistock - Episode 5, Nolan Investigates: Stonewall.

I haven't, mine's in 6th form. However the other day I did say, 'You do know the difference between sex and gender don't you?'

The reply, 'Yes, gender is a social construct and sex is biological.' Apparently feminism has reached their 6th form.

@yeoldetrout you have just done the equivalent of wandering into a pub with a big banner for Sky Sports, on match night, and complaining loudly that everybody there is obsessed with football and you don't want to hear about football.

Mums caring about women and children.

That’s so out there.

And there’s no way of not reading threads you don’t want to read about is there?

Can’t just ignore the thread and let others decide if they have an interest in reading it. Have to control what other posters see by shunting it out of view.

Yet OP is unreasonable to suggest all parents should have a listen to the podcast?

I think this might be an actual concrete example of irony. Unlike all the examples in the song.

Sorry that was in reference to yeoldetrout

Reading back on replies I missed