£600 gone

[user874326686]

Opened a letter last night that says they've decided I'm not entitled to any PIP.

I've been receiving the enhanced rates for daily and mobility for years.

I've never been able to work.

I've stayed up all night to write a letter and collect evidence only to be told it's taking them longer than the 10 week time line to reconsider despite it taking them 5 days to decide to remove all of my award.

I asked how I'm supposed to manage with £600+ removed.
I was told I can get a job as it isn't means-tested.

Unfuckingbelievable

Hi all. We've removed some posts for making personal attacks on the thread, and a couple that quote them.
Hopefully things will get back on track now but if you have any concerns then please report, we're always fine to take a look.
Peace and love,
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@user874326686 have your requested a copy of the assessors decision ( this would have been sent to the dwp decision maker) ask for this before you complete the MR.

@Babyroobs

Just to ask again op. Are you getting the LCWRA element of UC? This is the element which means you have been assessed to be not fir for any type of work ? Completely separate to PIP.

Hi yes.

I was in the support group of ESA since I was 16. I then moved and was put onto UC before transitional protection came in.

I am in the Lcwra group.

However my rent is circa £600 more than the local housing allowance amount.

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]@user874326686 have your requested a copy of the assessors decision ( this would have been sent to the dwp decision maker) ask for this before you complete the MR.[/quote]
I received this I believe.

She scored me 4 points.

One of her explanations was "you can read a book to your 3yo dc"

@user874326686 it’s called an AP report.

@Nosilayak

I absolutely dread this happening and have nothing but sympathy for you. As a previous poster suggested, contact your local MP, it's amazing what they can achieve in a short space of time. Our local MP, Lyndsay Hoyle, is fantastic with stuff like this, one phone call from him and the benefits people soon take notice. I've posted on threads regarding PIP previously and been absolutely slaughtered for some of my suggestions for helping people successfully claim PIP, even getting accused of encouraging people to commit fraud, which I would never do. It seems reading about PIP claims brings out the worst in some people, often people who have never even claimed it. Stay strong and best of luck to you!

Thank you so much.

How do I find my local MP please?

@user874326686 this wasn’t the dm decision letter ? They are two separate things.

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]@user874326686 it’s called an AP report.[/quote]
Is it where they show how many points I scored?

I received a decision letter with points scored along with a short explanation.

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]@user874326686 this wasn’t the dm decision letter ? They are two separate things.[/quote]
X post. How do I request this please?

Can I just ask a, probably stupid, question but if you are in the Support Group for ESA then how can you be told you are not eligible for PIP? I know they are two separate benefits but surely the fact you have been awarded one should influence the other?

[quote mumwon]@Tooembarrassingtomention
Ha ha ha - & of course companies will give you job for those hours & adapt it to your needs - What planet are you living on! & did you not read her dc has issues too? From experience with family member with ASD it years (literally) to find a company that would offer her a job - they had in job support & skills but no offers until the last organisation -where over a decade later they are still there! help with cv multiple help with interview practice didn't help - it was luck & a good interviewer that got them the job
as a landlord - go to CAB take list of all your incomings & outgoings when this money has been removed - Please talk to your agent/landlord & warn them (after CAB) what has happened & that you are fighting to have this reversed & you are going to CAB etc to get help but it may take time
You may get advice re rent - if you get into debt because of this situation
& go to turn2us to check what other help you can get[/quote]
Thank you.

DC also has issues yes.

I'm glad to hear your family member got a job! That's cheered me up today (fellow autistic)

Do I just attend my local CAB or is it all telephone calls now?

I sought advice from them yonks ago but pre covid so not sure if they're all open etc.

Glad you are getting help. Too many people think it's easy getting PIP but it isn't. I have to claim for my son and it was over 50 pages by the time I'd finished completing the last one. Hideous form.

@Nosilayak

Can I just ask a, probably stupid, question but if you are in the Support Group for ESA then how can you be told you are not eligible for PIP? I know they are two separate benefits but surely the fact you have been awarded one should influence the other?

Exactly my thinking.

I know they're for different things but you'd think they would take into consideration.

@user874326686 phone the dwp and ask for a copy of the AP report to be posted to you. It’s just more detailed, be prepared for it to be upsetting it may say things like “claimant spoke clearly on the phone showed no signs of anxiety or low mood” etc (not saying you have anxiety just an example.)

@TheSockMonster

I’m so sorry you’re in this position OP.

Surely if 60+% of appeals result in PIP being reinstated (I.e. their decision to stop PIP was incorrect) that points to a problem with either their assessment process or the support people are given to submit their assessments.

Filling in the firm is something of an art form and in my view is designed to make people fail. CAB advisers have access to a book several inches thick with guidance as to what to say under each section. What hope the average person without that sort of resource to draw on?

One example: one of the questions asks if you can dress yourself. Many people will say yes. But we are trained to delve a bit - it often turns out that applicants avoid for example clothes with small buttons or zips because they find those difficult due to hand mobility problems. That is vital information for the PIP assessment, but when the form merely asks “can you dress yourself” this information would be missed

No - the criteria are completely different and do not go hand in hand.

ESA (or new style equivalent) assesses if you are able to do any kind of work. PIP assesses how your medical issues affect your ability to do everyday tasks.

They don't deny claims for no reason

Part of the reason I get turned down was because my colouring was fine, weird considering that it was a telephone interview. Its why you go through the report with a fine tooth comb

@Nosilayak
I think its because ESA you can work, but my PIP report specifically says even though I get ESA, it can not be applied in anyway to PIP, imagine my surprise when the tribunal have requested my ESA report. The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing

Call Adviceline and they will put you in touch with your local office - some are opening up now for face to face but most get triaged through Adviceline first. Number for your area on the website citizensadvice.org

I'm sorry to hear this OP. It's definitely worth writing to your MP. Ask him to request on your behalf that your MR is prioritised due to financial difficulties.

You can find who your MP is here members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP

Also when you do a review for PIP, it's easier (for them) if you include everything you included in your original application. That way they can see everything.

But it sounds like you are getting some good advice and RL help now. Good luck.

The MR letter should deal with each section in turn and both point out any inaccuracies in your decision letter (if any) and/or point out any relevant information not apparently taken into account by the assessor. You can then say I believe I should have been awarded X points under this section. The CAB link I shared early on is very helpful to help to do this

@Sobeyondthehills I'm sure it was reported recently that the DWP is only going to do one assessment for all benefits. So, that one assessment would be used for PIP, ESA, UC etc? It would be so much easier on people if they did this, instead of putting people through multiple stressful situations.

@Nosilayak

Can I just ask a, probably stupid, question but if you are in the Support Group for ESA then how can you be told you are not eligible for PIP? I know they are two separate benefits but surely the fact you have been awarded one should influence the other?

No one doesn't influence the other at all. Because ESA is about whether you are fir for work and PIP is about the effect your disability has on your daily living and mobility. So some people on PIP can be perfectly able to work but still qualify for PIP. I work with a guy who is wheelchair bound, so needs help with washing, dressing, toileting ( all the things that PIP looks at ) , but once up and dressed and in his wheelchair works all day in a desk job. So he does not qualify for ESA or lCWRA element of UC. Likewise some people could be temporarily unable to work so qualify for ESA but do not qualify for PIP. I work with cancer patients and many will get ESA support group or LCWRA because they are going through cancer treatment but many would not qualify for PIP because their difficulties may not last for another nine months, or they are able to wash and dress themselves, manage their medications, go out alone etc. Obviously some will qualify for both ESA and PIP, but for many it can be one or the other. Disabled people claiming PIP may be limited in what type of work they can look for and this could be reflected by them being awarded WRAG group of LCW on UC in recognition that they are limited or may only be able to do part time hours due to their disability or illness.

@Babyroobs thanks for that very clear explanation, it's answered many questions for me.

Re lifetime awards - they do. On my letter it said something like 'ongoing period' or similar and basically they'll check in every ten years see if I'm dead yet.

[quote Nosilayak]@Sobeyondthehills I'm sure it was reported recently that the DWP is only going to do one assessment for all benefits. So, that one assessment would be used for PIP, ESA, UC etc? It would be so much easier on people if they did this, instead of putting people through multiple stressful situations. [/quote]
In theory it is good to only have one assessment, but in many cases (like the OP) that would mean all financial support stops.

The OP still has the ESA support group of UC, she would have lost that too if this assessment was all in one.

As mention before the DWP DO stop awards on a whim with no valid reason.