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Sarah Harding (Girls Aloud) has died

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plodalong12 · 05/09/2021 14:22

Following a battle with breast cancer, aged 39. RIP

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FloconDeNeige · 05/09/2021 15:09

Poor Sarah. It’s so dreadfully sad.

baceBen · 05/09/2021 15:20

Awfully sad. She was so young

Ifyouarehappyandyouknowit21 · 05/09/2021 15:20

I had been thinking about her recently and wondering if she was in her last days.

She was so beautiful, talented and open.
39 years is no time at all. Its so unfair she never got to experience having children etc

RIP.

Aquafizzle · 05/09/2021 15:23

Ahhh, this is so sad to hear. Poor Sarah- such a loss of a young life. Thoughts are with her family.

PurpleDaisies · 05/09/2021 15:25

I’m surprised how sad I feel about this. RIP Sarah.

Anystarinthesky · 05/09/2021 15:28

So very sad to read this, I feel for Sarah and her family. Far too young.

Roselilly36 · 05/09/2021 15:28

RIP Sarah, far too young. Love to her family.

wellbehavedwomen · 05/09/2021 15:34

@TheYearOfSmallThings

This is terribly sad - I really thought she would recover. Her family must be devastated.
Sadly, stage IV breast cancer is not survivable. She was never going to beat it.

I had late-detected early breast cancer, in that the tumour was huge (think 10 cm) but I was blessedly lucky and it hadn't spread. I have regular checks. If it returns in the breasts, or remaining lymph nodes, it is still survivable. If it returns having spread anywhere else, then it becomes Stage IV, which was what Sarah had, and average survival time is two years from diagnosis. .

My tumour barely showed on a mammogram, as it was deep within the breast and I was young - it looked only 1 cm! It was clear only on an MRI. By the time it was found, I had dimples to the breast, and that was why I was checked. The cancer had started to pull on the skin. It was the size if a small orange when removed. It had simply eaten away all other tissue, so the breast wasn't significantly larger than the other, either.

This is the best graphic I've seen on what breast cancer can look like, from skin changes. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38609625 It's so often not a small pea. Please stand in front of the mirror tonight, naked from the waist up, and with good lighting. Raise your arms up and down and look for any ways in which one breast has different skin tissue, shaped nipple, veining - anything. Feel them. If in doubt, see a GP.

You can also be seen at the London Breast Centre, privately, for an ultrasound which is more affordable than an MRI, and still a lot more effective in younger women (breast tissue is denser when young, so mammograms often don't pick up on tumours until huge). I wish I'd known that and gone. Young women get breast cancer more often than I realised. It's a hugely common disease, which is why the stats of the more common older women getting it can mask the numbers being still significant, when young.

Love to her family and friends. I was lucky, but knew many who weren't, from groups I was in. There are too many children going to bed tonight who won't remember the vibrant, funny, loving mums they lost to this. And if detected early, survival rates for breast cancer are in the 80s and 90th centiles.

Please check your boobs, Mumsnetters. I promise you that some of you reading this have breast cancer, and no idea that you do. You can save your own life, and spare your kids what some children I know live with, if you check.

ChocolateRiver · 05/09/2021 15:41

Such terribly sad news. Really puts things into perspective. I’m 39 and I’ve been dreading turning 40 in a few weeks but I should be more thankful. Condolences to her friends and family.

RelentlessForwardProgress · 05/09/2021 15:42

@wellbehavedwomen

Can I ask you about the two year figure average lifespan from stage 4 diagnosis please?

I am asking as a family member has just been diagnosed with stage 4 BC and she was told that treatments have improved recently so quickly that all the statistics are wrong, and I was kind of clinging to that idea.

LizBennet · 05/09/2021 15:44

Aah that’s great advice wellbehavedwomen
Flowers

I’m going to check thoroughly tonight and make it a routine.

LemonCake79 · 05/09/2021 15:44

@PurpleDaisies

I’m surprised how sad I feel about this. RIP Sarah.
Me too. Her mum's Instagram post made me cry. She was just so young and beautiful.
xsquared · 05/09/2021 15:49

So sad. She was so young and should have been developing her career in entertainment.

Plumtree391 · 05/09/2021 15:52

Oh no! Lovely girl.

OhWhyNot · 05/09/2021 15:54

So so sad

Far too young her poor family

wellbehavedwomen · 05/09/2021 16:01

Average is just that. I knew someone who died within 4 months, and I know someone else who is alive ten years on.

I was told that survival rates double every ten years, on average, so yes, all the stats are out of date. But it's also age dependant; cancer is our own cells refusing to die (literally - cells are programmed to self destruct, or autophage, and cancerous ones just keep growing and reproducing) so the older someone is, the less aggressive cancer tends to be. A friend's grandmother was diagnosed with breast cancer in her late 80s, and they said other than surgery, there was no reason to treat it, as old age would kick in before the cancer did. They were right and she died in her mid 90s with no cancer involvement.

I was a complete statistical outlier. I was young, and had a huge tumour, so I shouldn't have had the prognosis I ended up with. Very large tumours are very bad news - yet here I am. Statistics can't tell you individual outcomes.

The statistics are general. They don't determine what your family member will have. We have a family member who was given 5 years for his particular cancer, and is still with us. He was given that in 2000 and hasn't had any especially major interventions, just 2 separate rounds of chemo and one of radiotherapy, all split by years.

Cancer is bizarre and unfathomable. But realistically, someone with Stage IV is unlikely to be alive in ten years, and 5 is a good one, too.

There is one other thing I'd say. Loved ones and friends tend to be very, very upbeat when someone is diagnosed with something like this. That can be very isolating. Someone saying, this is really shit and I am so very sorry that this is really shit can be a greater comfort because it feels less lonely. It feels like a wall goes up and they don't want to hear your fear, or that you know it could be very, very bad news and your life far shorter. You start to feel silo'd in by people who just don't get it.

There is a Facebook group, Younger Women With Breast Cancer, for the under 45s. It helped me immensely as we're all in the same boat, and women who are that bit further ahead supported those who were newly diagnosed. All my questions about chemo were answered, and at 2 am when distresses and terrified, a loving group of women who got it were there. Maggies Centres are also vital for your family member. You need support, and at least in my case, I felt unable to share the real fear and distress with my loved ones as they were suffering as much as I was, in different ways.

There is one other thing I found helped me. We are all dying. Nobody gets out of life alive. Think of those you love in their 80s - they are not going to live forever, either, yet there is something about a cancer diagnosis that terrifies because the very human denial of our own mortality is ripped away from us, with it. The important thing is not to waste any of the good time you are guaranteed to have today, agonising about the fear of death. You need to plan lovely things in the here and now. Go on the lovely weekend somewhere you always wanted to. Book Giffords Circus, Christmas Light Festival at Kew, a week on the island you loved as a kid and want to share with your own. I have never valued my one, amazing, precious live more, nor appreciated it better, than since I was diagnosed. We will all die. All of us. So embrace the life we have and show this person how much you love them - and not just this person, either. Life is fleeting and amazing and precious, and cancer isn't really anything but a stark reminder of all of that. So use it.

There's also something in the NHS Constitution called The Right To Choose. If your family member wants to, she can be seen at the Royal Marsden in London, which is the most phenomenal care, and all NHS. Everyone has the right to have care transferred down to them and they are an international centre of clinical excellence. I have been on around 3 trials with them, and my care is amazing as a result - effectively, the trial company fund it, so I have ongoing care years after treatment ended, because they want to pinpoint exactly when, and if, the cancer spreads in both the treated and the control groups. If there are new treatments, which are worthwhile, the Marsden will know about them. Worth considering, at least.

Love to you. As above, I genuinely believe that it's often harder to watch, than to suffer, when you love the patient. Maggies help families, too. (My kids had never had so much spoiling!) You need to charge your own emotional batteries, if you are to support the person you love, so it's not selfish at all. Take time to get the help you need for yourself, and I am so very sorry you are coping with this fucking horrible thing.

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 05/09/2021 16:02

[quote RelentlessForwardProgress]@wellbehavedwomen

Can I ask you about the two year figure average lifespan from stage 4 diagnosis please?

I am asking as a family member has just been diagnosed with stage 4 BC and she was told that treatments have improved recently so quickly that all the statistics are wrong, and I was kind of clinging to that idea.[/quote]
It depends a lot on the type of cancer. With hormone positive cancer there are other treatments available as well as chemo, and women are surviving and longer (Kris Hallenga, the founder of CoppaFeel has lived with Stage 4 breast cancer for 11 years).

If it is triple negative, the outcome is worse and the median life expectancy after a stage 4 diagnosis is 18 months. I think that Sarah had Triple Negative as she did not ever mention any other treatments other than chemo, but she never specifically said.

Am absolutely gutted about this news today, for lots of reasons.

RIP Sarah

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 05/09/2021 16:03

Of course, there are statistical outliers to everything and even with the worst prognosis, people defy the statistics and survive for a long time. It just seems to be total lottery a lot of the time.

userxx · 05/09/2021 16:04

@ChocolateRiver

Such terribly sad news. Really puts things into perspective. I’m 39 and I’ve been dreading turning 40 in a few weeks but I should be more thankful. Condolences to her friends and family.

Get that 40th birthday party organised.

Time really is precious. RIP Sarah.

Hugoslavia · 05/09/2021 16:05

Very sad news.

Fetchthevet · 05/09/2021 16:05

Poor Sarah. May she rest in peace Flowers

@wellbehavedwomen thank you for your advice. I hope you stay well Star

wellbehavedwomen · 05/09/2021 16:06

Sorry, that monster post was to @RelentlessForwardProgress and would probably have been better as a PM.

Please check your boobs tonight, Mumsnetters. Please. Not just by touch - look in a mirror, good lighting, arms raised and down, topless. Look for skin changes, vein changes, nipple changes, anything that isn't symmetrical.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38609625

And never feel stupid bothering your GP. I felt a complete twit seeing her with dimple things on one boob - she told me later she'd taken one look and known. They would always, always rather waste their time with a hundred false alarms than miss a woman with cancer.

Mamamia7962 · 05/09/2021 16:08

Relentless - Some women do live with secondary breast cancer for years, it all depends on what type it is and how aggressive it is, and where abouts in the body it has spread to. Also how well somebody responds to treatment as we are all different.

New drugs are being tested all the time and there are a lot of treatment options available. I wish your family member all the best.

ScouseQueen · 05/09/2021 16:09

Thank you for those helpful and moving posts, @wellbehavedwomen and wishing you many more happy days of life to enjoy.

I was gutted to read of Sarah's death. Saw her name in trending topics and guessed why as I knew she was terminally ill. But 39 is still no age, and she was so vibrant. Her mum must be devastated. RIP and playing Girls Aloud now. Flowers

wellbehavedwomen · 05/09/2021 16:15

There are lots of forms of breast cancer - it's fiendishly complicated. But in basic form, you have hormone responsive (oestrogen and progesterone) and HER responsive. Those cancers were more aggressive, so before treatments emerged, the worst types. But around the turn of the Millennium, they developed hormone treatments that make the hormone type the most treatable - Tamoxifen, which was a miracle drug then, is now standard. An even more effective one is given after menopause, so they often put younger women into menopause chemically to give them that chance, if their families are complete (I have been). HER positive can be treated with Herceptin, which is a very nasty drug so only given once or twice, I think. Triple negative means that the cancer is affected by none of the above, so while it's less aggressive, there is no long term treatment possible either, other than chemo and various drugs should it return (ribiciclib etc).

But even within those groups, there's no telling who will be lucky. The best thing you can do is deliberately choose the denial that every single person reading this lives with every day. None of us will live forever. All of us ignore that. And choosing life and to enjoy every scrap of it is actually something good that came from this - I've never been more positive about life before, weirdly. Because for all of the awfulness and challenge and confusion, life's a gift.

One of the women on the Facebook page I mentioned posted this, apparently written by a woman who died of breast cancer herself:

“Life is amazing. And then it's awful. And then it's amazing again. And in between the amazing and awful it's ordinary and mundane and routine. Breathe in the amazing, hold on through the awful, and relax and exhale during the ordinary. That's just living heartbreaking, soul-healing, amazing, awful, ordinary life. And it's breathtakingly beautiful.”

When I'm scared, I reread it.