Queen and Meghan and harry

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Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

You get a pass, Roussette (I’ve been here a mere 16 years!) but only a few posts up there’s some person going on about “racist bullying” which is really out of order. Think M&H are a pair of cheeky so and so’s and the rf is, to put it mildly, going through a bad patch. I do feel sorry for The Queen. The next generations are veritable piles of manure.

For all the H & M bashers quoting the Metro paper like it’s a neutral or holy source… you know that’s owned by the Daily Mail & Rupert Murdoch don’t you? It’s another right wing bent paper meant to set your “populist” ire going.

dotty I think I recognise you!

We're old timers on here!

@DottyHarmer

Hi that was me with the racist bullying. There were articles that were written that were definitely targeting dog whistle racism. 72 cross party MPs were concerned. Not all the reporting but enough that I noticed.

You don't have to like H&M. You can be a superfan of the fairy tale of the RF. But discussing media reporting and bias should have no impact on that. I don't like any of them. I just like jelly and fancy dress and being a bot.

Sigh.

Regarding “duty” said like it’s a dirty word - isn’t that what the rf is paid for? And why it exists at all? Frankly I don’t care heather they are touchy feely or anything; I want them to do the pageantry stuff, a load of openings and put on a fine royal wedding etc every so often.

What they get up to when “off camera” is somewhat interesting sometimes, but whether they are nice people - well, they’re just people and once the veil is lifted the “magic” is gone. H & M may succeed in putting the final nail into the coffin, but then their USP will be dead too.

@JingsMahBucket

For all the H & M bashers quoting the Metro paper like it’s a neutral or holy source… you know that’s owned by the Daily Mail & Rupert Murdoch don’t you? It’s another right wing bent paper meant to set your “populist” ire going.

Well it was just quoted as 'evidence' of Harry's 'demands' for a state banquet, so...

Sorry @JingsMahBucket
Ignore that.
Long day today

When Thomas Markle talks about his daughter it’s presented as a terrible betrayal (and actually I agree that it is). So why is it ok for Harry & Meghan to dish to dirt on his family? It’s particularly bad form by Harry because it’s his family.

Well, to have a crack at answering this as neutrally as I can, as a person who likes none of them -

One is an absolute nobody of a man who is surrounded by detractors anyway. The other party in your equation is led by a Head of State and Head of a Church, with immense wealth and considerable power, suspected by some of possibly participating in a cover-up of her own son's involvement with a transatlantic sex trafficking operation.

I think we're far from a moral and ethical equivalence here.

Tragic guy vs huge international significance.

@KidneyBeans

Sorry *@JingsMahBucket* Ignore that. Long day today

No worries @KidneyBeans. :) That’s specifically why I was highlighting it, because people were giving proper credit to the Metro as being a neutral source.

@DottyHarmer

Sigh.

Regarding “duty” said like it’s a dirty word - isn’t that what the rf is paid for? And why it exists at all? Frankly I don’t care heather they are touchy feely or anything; I want them to do the pageantry stuff, a load of openings and put on a fine royal wedding etc every so often.

What they get up to when “off camera” is somewhat interesting sometimes, but whether they are nice people - well, they’re just people and once the veil is lifted the “magic” is gone. H & M may succeed in putting the final nail into the coffin, but then their USP will be dead too.

As far as I am concerned "duty" is a dirty word as far as the royal family go. It's only duty to the crown and the family. Nothing else. Protect that image at all costs.

If "duty" was so important to them, Andrew would have been dealt with a long time ago. Certainly wouldn't be hiding out in a castle hoping it all goes away.

That "duty" put two young boys on public display at a very private time. That was nothing short of disgusting behaviour and can only imagine the long term affect that had on them.

What would have happened if they said sod duty and not forced the abdication? Would Elizabeth have had a chance at a somewhat more normal life for a while? Would her children have faired better?

What about Margaret? If "duty" was ignored could she have found happiness with Townsend?

If Charles was allowed to ignore "duty" and actually marry someone he loved rather than finding a young naive girl who they thought they could mould to toe the party line, would he have been much happier and a lot less hurt have been caused to several people?

The family as a whole is just a very twisted dynamic and certainly nothing to be proud of.

I think that is also why M&H never mention Thomas now, either he is just a nobody of a man to them now. Interestingly they haven’t mentioned Prince Andrew yet. I wonder if this is a topic of conversation they are pondering about.

I think Megan and Harry get trotted out as a problem when they want to distract attention from other areas of the RF. The firm has always had a fall guy. I dont necessarily think it is the Queen, but more like the 'grey men' Diana always talked about.

I don't think they should mention Andrew at all. They don't live in the same country and it would open up a can of worms on the retention of PA's military patronages and the whipping away of Harry's. Too much of a loaded subject as far as I'm concerned.
And of course all the other members of the RF who will be seeing him during the Balmoral sojourn are as tight as a drum and not saying anything. So who should they....

They will have their views of course.

People are only interested in Harry's family. How often has there been an opportunity to gain an insight into the British royal family from the perspective of someone who grew up in that family and is now on bad terms? By bad terms, I mean how he told the world his dad wasn't answering his calls.

Similar to the Caroline Flack interview I posted, it was clear she must have signed an NDA but the presenters were only interested in discussing Prince Harry.

The Royal Family sells and Harry is happy to sell it.

@stairway

I think that is also why M&H never mention Thomas now, either he is just a nobody of a man to them now. Interestingly they haven’t mentioned Prince Andrew yet. I wonder if this is a topic of conversation they are pondering about.

I suspect it's actually out of respect for the Queen and Charles.

Most of H&M what they've actually said has been pretty innocuous and just heavily spun by the press.

It's no surprise the RF has racists for example. I'm actually surprised that the comment about Archie's skin colour caused so much shock. It's exactly the kinds of insensitive comment members of the RF have form for

I think Harry has great affection for his family. He won't suddenly accuse his uncle of sexual assault publicly but I can entirely understand why he's chosen to remove his wife and children from that environment

I used to be a bit of a Harry and Meghan basher, tbh.

Then I read a lot. Opened my eyes. Yes, they're often annoying, often 'tone-deaf', often full of crap.

But dear god the royal family are fucked, and fucked in the head to be protecting Andrew for so long, so arrogantly, and so patronisingly. To be setting their media pack dogs onto H&M while being silent on Prince 'Not On Normal Ceremonial Exercise '. Fuck that shit.

What a sad, ignominious, self-inflicted legacy for the Queen.

I think this roughly sums up my views on the whole situation, and it is sad. I've always been quite a royalist and had nothing but respect for the Queen but the response over Andrew is so disappointing. In her defence she's very recently widowed and very elderly now and may be subject to a lot of manipulation - there appear to be so many family members and courtiers etc with their own agendas.

Harry and Meghan can be very cringey but I also think they've been through an immensely stressful situation and for whatever reason felt unsupported. They've done absolutely nothing on a par with Andrew and in fact appear to broadly be attempting to do some good in the world. Yes they've spoken about things, maybe some feel that's beyond the pale but it's no different to previous efforts from Fergie, Diana, Charles etc. All of whom also suffered due to their royal connections and all the batshittery that appears to go on behind the scenes, and wanted to push back against that in some way.

IMO it's sending out a horrendous message - Andrew keeps his titles etc and is protected and funded by the taxpayer, Meghan and Harry lose all their patronages, investigations and lawyers are bandied about, endless Palace leaks to the right-wing media.

Interestingly they haven’t mentioned Prince Andrew yet. I wonder if this is a topic of conversation they are pondering about.

Despite all the drama, H&M always try to suck up to the Queen and are convinced they have her on their side. I think Lilibet was an attempt to show their closeness rather than a rumoured snub.

So saying anything against about PA would be the worst move possible because they know the Queen ranks her own son well before H&M considering all the shit they've stirred in the family.

Good on the queen Maybe she is trying to distract but the pa thing has been ridiculously blown up too If he was a man in the street it would just be let be Different times H an m is now they are rude and untrue

The only people who can say anything about prince Andrew is the woman paying his legal bills (mummy) and the woman who accepted loans from Epstein that he organised (fergie).

His daughters, harry and william were too young at the time to have had an insight to what he was doing 20 years ago. Kate and Meghan were not even on the scene.

But frankly we have that newsnight interview from 2019 to hear from the horse's mouth.

@KidneyBeans

Totally predictable media distraction from PA

The media attacks on Meghan and Harry will increase every time the pressure is on. They're a convenient scapegoat whilst the Queen shelters her soon who socialised with trafficked girls and a sex offender.

I don't quite get that. If the media don't want any focus on PA then they would just stop reporting about him wouldn't they? That would seem easier than doing articles about him and then making stuff up and Meghan and Harry to distract us from what they've written about PA.

Or is it some paper writing about PA and then others trying to distract us?

I've sort of given up on newspapers lately so not sure if there is a PA camp and a M&H camp in the press. (or media generally)

@LidlMiddleLover

Good on the queen Maybe she is trying to distract but the pa thing has been ridiculously blown up too If he was a man in the street it would just be let be Different times H an m is now they are rude and untrue

Really? Blown up?

It it was a man on the street, they would have been arrested years ago.

@LidlMiddleLover

Good on the queen Maybe she is trying to distract but the pa thing has been ridiculously blown up too If he was a man in the street it would just be let be Different times H an m is now they are rude and untrue

If he was a man in the street he'd likely be facing criminal charges.

What exactly is 'blown up' about a public figurehead funded by the taxpayer to be our international representative m, choosing to associate with a convicted criminal and trafficked girls

@ancientgran

The press 'rota' and stories covered is largely controlled by relatively few very wealthy individuals including those within and associated with the RF

It's why papers have specific political allegiances

If the RF press team want a distraction from PA, the papers will create one

Well... Andrew is not a man on the street is he?

He's a publicly paid member of the RF who leads a life of immense privilege courtesy of the taxpayer and what he does reflects on the reputation of the RF as well as being damaging to the country.

That "duty" put two young boys on public display at a very private time. That was nothing short of disgusting behaviour and can only imagine the long term affect that had on them. The RF get lots of stuff wrong, don't we all, but to be fair the Diana hysteria was the reason the two princes got brought back to London. They would have been much better off being left at Balmoral with granny and granddad but the mob didn't want that.