Why is the Green Party not more popular?

[HarryBoa]

I mean if there were ever a time that they should be relevant it's now, no?

Was talking to the DC about political parties and they asked why people weren't supporting the Green Party because of global warming.

I wanted to reply "Because people want what they've got" but resisted the urge to make a trite reply.

Wondered what other people thought? For myself I'm actually seriously considering moving my support to the Green Party but the ultimate concern is that the voting system that we have means that they're fighting a losing battle.

Because they are eating themselves over identity politics and they are failing against their original remit.

Personally I think fringe/single issue parties can play a hugely important part in UK democracy, without ever signing or expecting to gain parliamentary seats. They can develop and champion policies and raise public awareness and support on issues that would otherwise go unaddressed, and in doing so these policies get adapted and incorporated into mainstream politics. Unfortunately the green party is shit on green issues.

@cheeseismydownfall that's a really good point about the role of smaller parties.

@TheFnozwhowasmirage

As they had a man running the Women's group and appear to hate women ( sorry,non men),I don't think that they'd want this woman's vote. Nothing would induce me to become a member or vote for a party which would happily silence women and do away with their rights.

This.

Because they are more about identity politics than environmental issues
Non men
Safeguarding
The Challenor fiasco

because they let the grass grow under their, and our, feet.
Iggly, it's not a minor issue. footways are for pedestrians, this is making them virtually impassable in places, esp for blind people, less mobile etc.
not everyone is a middle class middle aged lycra wearing cyclist or eco warrior.
some of us are just trying to get by. literally and figuratively.

Because they oppose HS2 and nuclear power.

I want to vote for them but they are daft by actively opposing things that will reduce carbon emissions.

I always vote Green when it's proportional representation or similar eg London Assembly and used to vote Green in a European elections too.
But voting Green in constituency elections here would simply be a vote for the Tories - it's a Labour marginal and they need all the votes they can get to keep the Tories out. I like the Green Party but I hate the Tories far more.

I'm a big environmentalist. The Green Party should be my political home. Have voted Green (10+ years ago in locals) - would never consider doing so now. Can't stand the trans-woke agenda. Can't stand the holier than thou attitude they exude anytime I hear them on the radio.

@MichelleScarn

Because they hate women for me. Or non-man as they would call me.

This 👆

Because they don’t know what a woman is, which is pretty basic science and if they can’t understand biology how can they understand more complex issues.

You're just going to get a silly GC response on here.

The reality is because it's seen to be a wasted vote.

@AtlasNeverShrugged

Because they hate women.

Because they're more concerned about pronouns than the environment.

Because they cancel and silence anyone who dares disagree with them.

This

@happydays2345 what makes GC views "silly"?

They’ve lost a lot of female support - referring to us as ‘non-men’, knowingly allowing a massive safeguarding issue to fester within the party in order to be ‘woke’ involving a pedophile, one of those standing for leadership referring to women who know what sex trans women are as shit to be flushed.

Because of their attitude towards natal females. I can't bring myself to vote for them even though I rate environmental issues in my top 5 things I give a fuck about.

@happydays2345

You're just going to get a silly GC response on here.

The reality is because it's seen to be a wasted vote.

I disagree with this. People don't vote because they don't think they will have a positive impact on their lives.

I agree - referring to us as "non-men" is appalling. Is that the actual party line or a really appalling error in judgment by a small minority, does anyone know?

Because they are way too left wing.

Personally it’s the women’s rights/identity politics issue that prevents me from supporting them. But for the wider population I’m sure it’s more the perception that they’re a wasted vote, and the idea that their policies and worldview are utopian rather than practical or pragmatic.

They hate women. They hate the poor. They are about what sounds good, rather than what works. I don't know any of their policies on other issues. It's a wasted vote.

Voting Green is perhaps fine if you're a well off home owner, living in an affluent area of London or the Home Counties. You can smugly talk of how people should use alternative transport or buy an electric car. Try living in a rural, socially deprived Northern county where your commute is 40 miles each way and there's no public transport, you're on low wages and you drive a £600 diesel car cos that's what you can afford to run.

It seems to me that green energy is praised by people who can afford to holiday in Tuscany every year rather than Skegness. It's no use telling people that green energy is better in the long run after a large initial outlay if they can't afford the initial outlay.

Ali is unvotable. For one thing he thinks all Jews are the Israeli government or responsible for the Israeli government. Just like Corbyn does! The pair just stay one step inside the line. So they can't be caught out.

Here is part of a speech by Ali.

“Just because you observe the niceties of Holocaust Memorial Day, does not mean that you have learned the lessons of history…

“Listen up warmongers…just because you switch off your TV set to avoid upsetting your children, does not mean that you have not killed our children.”

Bloody charming that isn't it. How offensive can you get!

He has also deleted a whole load of his Facebook posts that incriminate him. You can still find them on the internet if you look hard enough though.

If you met me in IRL you’d presume ai vote Green. I’m involved professionally in environmental issues and in voluntary work. However, I only vote Green in the London Mayoral and Assembly elections because we have a First Past the Post electoral system. In reality that means I vote for the progressive party that is actually has a chance of winning the seat (i.e. beat the Tories). In all elections that I can remember that has been Labour, but in my area it could well be the Lib Dems. The center/Left parties really need a progressive alliance if we’re not going to be stuck with the Tories forever more in a FPTP system. Now Scotland has mostly ditched Labour, I just can’t see them ousting the Tories without one, and what is most important from a climate action perspective is not really the Greens winning more seats, it’s ousting the Tories.

and what is most important from a climate action perspective is not really the Greens winning more seats, it’s ousting the Tories.

Your post is really interesting @ejhhhhh.

Yes there are so many complex issues involved - it's not as binary as environment vs non-environment, I understand that. It's frightening that we have the terrible choices that we have. They're all awful aren't they.

I read all of the main manifestos during elections, and usually try and find 'compare the policy' sites.

There is never ANY party that I agree with in full, but The Greens do usually 'score' highly for me. However, as pps have said, with the ridiculous voting system we have in the UK, people know that, in many constituencies there is little point in voting for any other than Labour or Conservative. The media then reinforce that thinking and the gap gets wider. Until we get a system where every vote counts, I'm not sure we can claim to have much of a democracy. Trouble is, of course, it isn't in the interests of any incumbent party to change the system that got them in to power.