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Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

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LaurieFairyCake · 09/08/2021 23:54

That will be interesting

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Maireas · 13/08/2021 19:12

@Roussette

Can't find it... have looked. I know we're not meant to link but.....
It was just deleted. The usual, she looked happy in the picture, she must be lying. You can see my response.
Plumtree391 · 13/08/2021 19:17

I can't believe you, Sam.

Virginia herself said she asked for the picture to be taken with her own camera. "A little yellow Kodak", in her words. I saw her interviewed where she said it, I suppose you want me to trawl through everything I've watched to find it. However, so what if she did? It hardly matters why the photo was taken at the time.

I haven't seen Rousette's question about the link, I may look for it.

You are being far too personal and pouncing. Honestly - 'scurry away', ''have the ovaries'; good grief are posters allowed to insult each other like that? You can look through all my posts and you will see that I have never insulted anybody, whether I agree with them or not.

Please end this now.

Plumtree391 · 13/08/2021 19:22

@Roussette

twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1425149603641450504

Channel 4 asking questions of VG's lawyers.

“He can ignore me and he can ignore Virginia… but he can’t ignore judicial process.”

Virginia Giuffre’s lawyer, David Boies, says Prince Andrew and his lawyers have “simply ignored every letter, every phone call, every outreach that we’ve made”.

Is this the link mentioned above? I will look at it later but have something I need to do now.
DuncinToffee · 13/08/2021 19:30

[quote Maireas]@KidneyBeans
@Roussette
Meanwhile on the Royal Family thread about Andrew that same silly question has been asked about VR looking happy in the photo.[/quote]
Keep reporting those comments, MN are quick to react

Roussette · 13/08/2021 19:32

No, Plumtree don't think that's it. But need to scroll back to find.

Maireas · 13/08/2021 19:33

@DuncinToffee - MN very quickly deleted it, which was excellent.

DuncinToffee · 13/08/2021 19:37

I know, I reported that one but it was already gone when I pressed send.

Maireas · 13/08/2021 19:39

That photo will be used against VR for the rest of her life, won't it?

Roussette · 13/08/2021 19:41

I really hope not. As a brave PP said... you can be smiling but hurting inside a lot.

SamiReed1 · 13/08/2021 19:45

@Plumtree391

I can't believe you, Sam.

Virginia herself said she asked for the picture to be taken with her own camera. "A little yellow Kodak", in her words. I saw her interviewed where she said it, I suppose you want me to trawl through everything I've watched to find it. However, so what if she did? It hardly matters why the photo was taken at the time.

I haven't seen Rousette's question about the link, I may look for it.

You are being far too personal and pouncing. Honestly - 'scurry away', ''have the ovaries'; good grief are posters allowed to insult each other like that? You can look through all my posts and you will see that I have never insulted anybody, whether I agree with them or not.

Please end this now.

@Plumtree391 Did you not read the excerpt I posted above that shows Virginia is not the one who asked for the photo? How convenient. I'll post it again.

She said Ms Maxwell asked Epstein to take a picture to show her family, and she then carried out her instructions to entertain the Prince.
www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/story-behind-iconic-prince-andrew-photo-with-virginia-giuffre/AFAHVGLCSEIO5HLTSUWY3U6RWI/

Virginia didn't ask for the photo to be taken. So you can stop blaming her.

You said she was not held against her will. She clearly was. You haven't admitted you were wrong on that.

And you can stop acting so shocked that anyone would call you out on the nonsense you post. You ignore questions. You won't even answer what you agree with Pixxie7 on, because you know if you do how bad it will look. That's what I meant by not having the ovaries (balls) or courage/honesty, if you prefer, to answer questions. You can't just ignore questions and think you won't be called on it. You've lied about Virginia twice, and you've ignored questions. Sorry if you thought we'd brush over it. Oops, my bad.

Panickingpavlova · 13/08/2021 19:46

In all honesty in the travesty of this poor girls life I can imagine it was exciting for her to meet a royal

Meet a royal.. Not have to sleep with one.
Even celebrities love meeting other celebrities.. It's a bit much to expect her not to find it exciting..

Maireas · 13/08/2021 19:46

I know, but this site is mostly parents, mostly female and we've been fighting these same responses for days. It does make me fear that she'll have a constant battle. However, she is brave and determined, so I hope justice prevails.

Maireas · 13/08/2021 19:47

This comment was in response to Roussette

Roussette · 13/08/2021 19:49

I aree Maireas

She's a strong woman and she's doing it for all the other victims. Well done her.
I read a news piece on this, cant find it at the moment but all this is for others.

LolaSmiles · 13/08/2021 19:57

Keep reporting those comments, MN are quick to react
I second this.

I also agree with the poster who said ignorance about safeguarding is rife on here. There's a lot of posters who say people should mind their own business, that someone is an awful person if they pass safeguarding concerns on to relevant people, that professionals following safeguarding procedure are jobsworths who, that people with safeguarding concerns think they're 'perfect parents', and that's before the endless myths about social services. Then there's the threads where people are spreading false information about safeguarding, patting posters on the back for being great because it's obvious healthcare professionals, teachers, social workers who fabricated concerns for no reason based on nothing more than an OP writing a rant about how unfair a situation. I've even read threads where people have said that if someone has safeguarding concerns they should approach the parents directly and ask them if everything is OK!

When you combine that level of safeguarding ignorance with a bizarre level of apparently socially acceptable misogyny, it's no wonder we have had 33 pages where a woman has been on the receiving end of endless attempts to discredit her for speaking about her experience of abuse as a child

Panickingpavlova · 13/08/2021 19:59

Lola I agree regarding safe guarding so many atrocities have been discovered or stopped when someone's been that little bit more observant, questioning

Reporting..

Roussette · 13/08/2021 19:59

@LolaSmiles

Great post

SamiReed1 · 13/08/2021 20:01

Very good post @LolaSmiles .

Maireas · 13/08/2021 20:04

Good points, Lola, I've been reporting the victim blaming (especially about the photo), and when we had a lot of remarks yesterday, I asked CarolineMumsnet to repost the comment she made about Believe Her, which she kindly did.
I have been a secondary school teacher for many, many years and have never regretted reporting a safeguarding issue. Once, just me saying "it's fine, I'm going to take this further" made one child cry.

KidneyBeans · 13/08/2021 22:47

@Plumtree391

KidneyBeans: Well you've changed your tune - a day or so ago you were agreeing with posters that said VRG 'chose' to be with JE and 'didn't look like she was a victim of sexual assault' in the photograph .........

I agreed with some of what that poster said, Kidney. I don't remember any comments about that photograph but will take your word for it.
I certainly haven't changed my tune regarding trafficking or exploitation of young girls generally, I've seen too much of it, and I am no hypocrite.

The Hunting does sound interesting.

@Plumtree391 You said: "Virginia Giuffre was not held against her will. She was hired by Ghislane Maxwell for 'jobs', for which she was paid. When she got there some of the jobs were more than she had bargained for and she was definitely pushed into a corner, which was dreadful of course."

So no you are not supportive if victims of trafficking, in fact you basically insinuated VRG was a liar. You also supported a disgusting post (attached below) stating that's he was where she wanted to be'.

So how exactly does that align with you supporting victims of trafficking? Confused

If you've developed your perspective as the thread has gone I that's nice, but if so, at least have the honesty to be accountable for your previous vile comments.

Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's
Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's
StartupRepair · 13/08/2021 23:14

I think and hope the photo will be used against Andrew for the rest of his life.

diddl · 15/08/2021 08:20

@StartupRepair

I think and hope the photo will be used against Andrew for the rest of his life.
What does it actually prove though?
KidneyBeans · 15/08/2021 08:36

That he's a liar.
That he was socialising with women trafficked by a convicted sex abuser

diddl · 15/08/2021 09:16

@KidneyBeans

That he's a liar. That he was socialising with women trafficked by a convicted sex abuser
I'm not sure that the photo does show that he was socialising with her.

It does show that he had met her, certainly.

SpindleWhorl · 15/08/2021 09:56

Didn't he or his 'people' try and suggest the photo was faked at one point? Until it was obvious it wasn't.

The Mail Online is pretty excoriating today.

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