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Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

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LaurieFairyCake · 09/08/2021 23:54

That will be interesting

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Martianworld · 11/08/2021 02:11

@VeniVidiWeeWee

BTW does anyone realise that, according to the law applicable in the jurisdiction the lawsuit has been made, the papers have to be served to the "defendant", ie PA, in person.

I very much doubt this case will ever get to Court.

I wonder if she has consulted with the FBI and this is a way of getting information out of PA that can be passed onto the FBI for their court case. A sort of fishing expedition to benefit both her and the FBI. I could be completely wrong.
Pixxie7 · 11/08/2021 02:11

Her lawyer was interviewed on channel 4 and he will be served the papers in person via a special envoy.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/08/2021 02:19

@Pixxie7

Her lawyer was interviewed on channel 4 and he will be served the papers in person via a special envoy.
Really? How will this special envoy know where to find him?
VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/08/2021 02:23

And then get through his protection "detail".

Martianworld · 11/08/2021 02:25

😂😂 I dont suppose PA could hide forever. And it would be a bit undignified to be avoiding service agents as they're throwing papers at him, shouting, you've been served! Haha.

Pixxie7 · 11/08/2021 02:30

To be honest I was only half listening but I think he said something about The Hague.

Inkanta · 11/08/2021 02:33

Good. Glad she continues to shine a light on him. Don't want him resuming royal duties anytime soon,

Shelddd · 11/08/2021 02:33

I think in New York you can serve papers by sending them through the mail, not sure if that works internationally but I'd imagine it would.

Even if this did go to criminal court, UK would never extradite him.... look at the POS who killed Harry Dunn and than ran to the USA. USA wouldn't even let UK extradite her back... and she was nobody. You think the UK with that fresh in their memory is going to turn over a Prince? like come on... it will never happen.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/08/2021 02:34

@Martianworld

😂😂 I dont suppose PA could hide forever. And it would be a bit undignified to be avoiding service agents as they're throwing papers at him, shouting, you've been served! Haha.
Are you a complete idiot?

Try getting within 6 feet of a member of the Royal Family and do something even remotely aggressive.

You will be facing the wrong end of a firearm before you can touch the "papers"

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/08/2021 02:44

@shielded

I might be wrong, though I think personal service means exactly that.

However, there is no question of a criminal case; this is a civil action.

You also don't understand the law.

You cannot extradite anyone with diplomatic immunity..

Martianworld · 11/08/2021 03:01

@VeniVidiWeeWee

I think its very harsh to call me a complete idiot for a light hearted comment in the middle of the night. Not get within 6 ft? Ever heard of Michael Fagan? And the police don't just shoot people who approach royalty. Lol. That's even a worse look than sleeping with a 17yo!

But if you want to be serious. I used to do a job involving private prosecutions and have served a considerable number of people. People don't avoid being served like you see in films. And if they did, magistrates and judges take a very dim view of it. Summonses don't have to be served in person. However, it always eases the mind if they are. This is an international summons so maybe different.

Everyone now knows that he is being sued and is going to be served papers. There's no deniability that they don't know so there's no way they'll avoid service. It would be an even worse look if he refused yo be served. That won't happen. They might arrange it to go to his solicitors and take that as in lieu of personal service.

Service of papers won't be an issue.

Furthermore, Prince Andrew does not have diplomatic immunity. But it seems highly unlikely he'll be extradited. Everyone must have been expecting this to happen so I'm sure strategies have already been discussed.

Pixxie7 · 11/08/2021 03:05

Again according to channel 4 news in a civil case he can’t be extradited but he has to give his evidence under oath in the uk and subject himself to cross examination.
I doubt he has the balls to be honest but I can’t see how he can get out of it, although if he wants to establish any credibility he has no option.

Susannahmoody · 11/08/2021 03:17

I have a legal question.

Does he actually have to go to the US and attend the trial? Can he just decide not to go? Or is he forced?

Pixxie7 · 11/08/2021 03:21

He can’t be forced to go to NY for a civil case, but he has to give evidence with cross examination but it can be in the UK.

Martianworld · 11/08/2021 04:45

As I understand it, he can't be extradited for a civil case. He would be mad to go there. He cannot be compelled to give evidence but that will probably negatively affect his chances of winning. Biggest difference between UK and US courts is that witnesses can be deposed before the trial. (I think this is part of the purpose of the case, so the FBI can ask questions through VRGs lawyers. - just my theory.) I think a British resident is protected by English law rather than US law so what lawyers can get and ask is more limited here than in the USA.

Martianworld · 11/08/2021 04:48

Sorry that should have read...
Biggest difference is HOW witnesses can be deposed.

PurpleOkapi · 11/08/2021 05:00

He doesn't have to hide forever - there's a time limit for effecting service. As far as I can tell, he's only left his residence twice in the past year: once for his daughter's wedding, and once for his father's funeral. I think he can keep it up for a few more months. And that's assuming someone with the legal authority in the UK to push past his guards can be persuaded to try to find him.

If he ends up forced to testify (again, not sure UK authorities are going to enforce US rules about this), he can just invoke the Fifth Amendment to everything substantive.

mathanxiety · 11/08/2021 06:33

The FBI is not involved in this case. They would be involved if it were a criminal trial. Andrew can be deposed (interviewed by both his own lawyers and by VR's lawyers under oath) before the trial, and also cross examined if he engages with the trial.

He can ignore the trial completely. If he does, a judgement can be entered against him in absentia. If damages are awarded, that judgement can be enforced anywhere in the world.

mathanxiety · 11/08/2021 06:36

There will be a period of discovery in which records of all sorts can be ordered and produced. Andrew will be obliged to produce records if ordered. His lawyers can object to any and all requests for production of records, documents, etc. They can file motions to dismiss the suit at any time. This will be a protracted process unless Andrew decides to make an offer of a settlement.

sashh · 11/08/2021 06:52

I meant I think she knew what she was getting into with Epstein/Maxwell.

Yes, yes a 17 year old school girl is obviously more capable than the FBI and Interpol, at investigating international child trafficking rings with millions of dollars at their disposal, and a multilingual Oxford grad as one of its leaders.

That leader was able to disappear and evade the FBI for a number of years.

Of course the average teenager knows all about that and couldn't possibly have been coerced.

Polkadots2021 · 11/08/2021 07:05

@sashh

I meant I think she knew what she was getting into with Epstein/Maxwell.

Yes, yes a 17 year old school girl is obviously more capable than the FBI and Interpol, at investigating international child trafficking rings with millions of dollars at their disposal, and a multilingual Oxford grad as one of its leaders.

That leader was able to disappear and evade the FBI for a number of years.

Of course the average teenager knows all about that and couldn't possibly have been coerced.

Well written answer to a very silly comment.
Oldbutstillgotit · 11/08/2021 07:09

Pixxie7

“Her lawyer was interviewed on channel 4 and he will be served the papers in person via a special envoy”
PA is currently at Balmoral so getting even close will be a huge problem .

Cacacoisfarraige · 11/08/2021 07:26

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PurpleOkapi · 11/08/2021 07:28

If damages are awarded, that judgement can be enforced anywhere in the world.

I don't think this is true. It can be enforced against any property he owns in the US. (No idea if he owns anything there or not.) But for other countries, it's quite a bit more complicated, especially if they don't have a treaty or other agreement with the US regarding enforcement of civil judgments. This page explains it pretty well:

penningtonslaw.com/news-publications/latest-news/2019/transatlantic-litigation-enforcing-us-judgments-in-england-and-wales

Jurisdiction is likely to be an issue here.

SerendipityJane · 11/08/2021 07:36

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