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Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

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LaurieFairyCake · 09/08/2021 23:54

That will be interesting

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LolaSmiles · 10/08/2021 21:21

Oh crikey that's bad. Who wants to read a book like that? Undoubtedly it will be yet another book by a royal that has got through publishers because it has a royal author.

Roussette · 10/08/2021 21:22

Yes. Definitely. Engineered by Andrew, his friend of course.

"Duchess of York owed her former personal assistant Johnny O’Sullivan £78,000 ($102,000) in unpaid salary. But with the help of Jeffrey Epstein, the amount was lowered to just £15,000 ($19,700).

Fergie told the publication that Prince Andrew helped sort out her debts, and she’s grateful to him and his office. But her debt was actually paid for in full by the late Epstein."

Maireas · 10/08/2021 21:24

Royal author with a co-author no less.
If you haven't seen the interview, it's worth watching. So dreadful.

Theunamedcat · 10/08/2021 21:25

@LolaSmiles

I'd thought Sarah had faded into the background in recent years. Why is she being rolled out to defend Andrew?
No one else will publicly defend him
DuncinToffee · 10/08/2021 21:25

Didn't they invite Epstein to their daughters birthday parties?

Cam77 · 10/08/2021 21:27

@LolaSmiles

It's worrying the lengths some poster will go to when discussing a child who was groomed and sexuality exploited.

I think the anti RF feeling across the UK is a lot stronger than the BBC and the rest of the British media establishment would have people believe. When it comes to the RF, the BBC in particular try hard to set the tone.

Roussette · 10/08/2021 21:27

Yes. And Epstein has been to Sandringham and Balmoral and of course, the infamous picture of Ghislaine Maxwell posing on a royal throne in Buckingham Palace whilst there with PA.
You couldn't make it up...

Cam77 · 10/08/2021 21:28

The BBC has learnt very little from its sordid recentish history.

LolaSmiles · 10/08/2021 21:29

Didn't Epstein attend one of Andrew's big events that was attended by most of the Royal Family, possibly a birthday at Windsor, too?

The whole thing is murky.

Cam77 · 10/08/2021 21:30

A certain close relative of Prince Andrew was pretty good buds/confidant with Saville too don't forget. It's all very coincidental. Still, isnt the Queen just marvellous!

Roussette · 10/08/2021 21:31

Taken from an article... this appears to be his options...

"He said the three options open to Andrew were to settle the case before it comes to court, defend himself against the allegations or try to avoid service of the lawsuit against him by lieu of being in a foreign country.

If the suit is successfully physically served on him but he declines to cooperate with the court or present a defence, he runs the risk of a judgement being entered against him in absentia"

Roussette · 10/08/2021 21:37

Lola yes
A massive party celebrating Queen Mother's 100th, and Anne's, Andrew's and Princess Margaret's... all big birthdays.

With Ghislaine.
Both Epstein and Maxwell were at the heart of the RF, by PA's invitation

Pixxie7 · 10/08/2021 21:37

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Plumtree391 · 10/08/2021 21:38

@Cam77

A certain close relative of Prince Andrew was pretty good buds/confidant with Saville too don't forget. It's all very coincidental. Still, isnt the Queen just marvellous!
Are you suggesting the 'close relative' knew what Saville was up to? Nobody did, he actually wasn't that close to anybody. Some heard rumours but there are always rumours and there was no proof until after he died. You seem to forget how generally feted Jimmy Saville was when he was alive. He was considered quite a hero when I was young.

All that has been trotted out previously on this thread.

The Queen is marvellous, whether someone likes the idea of royalty or not, she is quite a remarkable woman.

KidneyBeans · 10/08/2021 21:40

@Pixxie7

I don’t think anyone is actually defending PA, I just think that they are recognising that there could be some mitigating circumstances that need to be taken into account.
Please do elaborate on the mitigating circumstances applicable to his having sex with a trafficked girl provided by his friend the paedophile...,
Roussette · 10/08/2021 21:42

Hmmm.... very many people knew what Saville was like and what he was up to before he died. No one spoke up though

Martianworld · 10/08/2021 21:42

@KidneyBeans. Your whole tone is aggressive. Lots of short, sharp questions. Maybe it's because you're angry, and maybe you don't realise it but it is. And then you call me a misogynist. Why? You and I are two women debating. I didn't call you a misogynist, so why are you calling me one? Because I don't like someone to be aggressive towards me? I have had debates with other people on the thread and some things we have agreed on, but we have been respectful over things which we've disagreed .

In your first post time you wrote...
"Plus VR has attempted criminal proceedings against PA and been thwarted"
Now you're saying...
"which judge was this? There hasn't been a case brought. No idea which judge you're talking about as no charges have ever been pressed against PA"

You seem to be contradicting yourself here so I don't know what you do or don't know, so let me enlighten you.
In 2015 Virginia Roberts tried to join a lawsuit against Epstein and have included evidence against PA. The judge denied her right to join the lawsuit and she struck out any claims she made against PA.

"At the moment she's,saying she can't remember dates,and places, only daces.
no idea what a dace is"

(I could make an aggressive comment on where you've put your asterisks, but I won't! I just think it would be a typing slip.) So sorry for the typo. I meant face. Here you go...
"I might be wrong on dates absolutely and I might be wrong on places even, sometimes. But one thing that I can tell you is you never forget the face" That's why courts like to hear evidence as soon after the fact as possible when evidence is fresh and can be proved or disproved. My legal qualifications are that I used to take civil prosecutions to court.

"do they? My understanding is they prefer it when the evidence has been thoroughly collated and analysed"

Well of course, they want evidence to be tested. And they want evidence to be sound. And they don't rule out cases that happened years ago if they are within statute of limitations. But the fact is that memories fade, change, harden, can be manipulated or just be misremembered the more time passes. Do you remember the William Roache trial and the shambles that turned into? Also it's fairer on the accused to answer charges as written evidence is easier to get hold of when an allegation is recently made.(This is just a general point about courts nothing to do with this case.)
So first you asked me about the timing of her suing so I responded to that.
Why does this matter? You keep bringing it up - why?
So then you accused me of going on about that when I was just replying to what you asked me. Seems harsh. (But in keeping with your whole tone. 😂 )

Finally, by the "me too movement" comment I mean that in the past she has been looking for justice and has come up again brick walls. But recently there has been a shift in public opinion after Weinstein affair and women complaining about men has been given more oxygen. This might give her more hope that now she might be listened to.

Cam77 · 10/08/2021 21:43

@Plumtree391
She's certainly remarkable for her stupendous wealth and privilege - oh and her oddball family

Blue4YOU · 10/08/2021 21:44

Who cares if the queen is supposedly remarkable??
It’s fairly obvious that the RF have dubious relationships with disgusting people and organisations (let’s not forget the Nazis..?).
They are a sordid bunch of wasters.
But that’s neither here nor there when it comes to PA.
Surely anyone of sound mind can agree that trafficked people- even adults - are victims.
Victims deserve recompense.
If the only means left is civil action, so much the worse for the law.

KidneyBeans · 10/08/2021 21:44

Are you suggesting the 'close relative' knew what Saville was up to? Nobody did, he actually wasn't that close to anybody. Some heard rumours but there are always rumours and there was no proof until after he died. You seem to forget how generally feted Jimmy Saville was when he was alive. He was considered quite a hero when I was young.

You're right about him being considered a hero but wrong about no one knowing what he was up to. It was well known by staff at the BBC and staff at some of the hospitals he volunteered at - Saville himself bragged about it - he was an absolute narcissist acting in plain sight. But because of his celebrity status everyone ignored it. Women and girls don't matter to men in positions of power.

DancesWithTortoises · 10/08/2021 21:47

I think the poor woman is now being exploited by lawyers after money rather than justice.

I wish her peace but I doubt she'll find it.

Farevalah · 10/08/2021 21:59

Regarding JS, Sex Pistol John Lydon's interview in 1978 touched on him and his behaviour, and his efforts got him banned from the BBC.

That was years before it came out, obvs he wasn't the only one to know.

Regarding the RF, I would have assumed close friends and confidants would be thoroughly checked out by security services before being allowed into the inner sanctum. JS was giving C&D marriage advice!

LolaSmiles · 10/08/2021 22:03

Pixxie7
Mitigating factors?

Adults groom and traffic children for sexual abuse. Why are you downplaying this?

LolaSmiles · 10/08/2021 22:03

*adults groomed

ZednotZee · 10/08/2021 22:03

On the topic of JS.

A woman I know, now sadly passes was groomed in to a sexual relationship with him when she was 17/18.
He was in his forties.
When she fell pregnant she moved away from the area as she knew he wasn't to be trusted.

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