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Code red for humanity -

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 17:12

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58138714

UN climate change report

Climate change is already massive, unstoppable and hugely destructive.

We have to reduce the number of children we are having, reduce the amount of meat fish and dairy we eat, stop driving cars so unnecessarily, stop burning fossil fuel, convert to using renewable energy, stop sending rubbish to landfill, reduce reuse and recycle.

Otherwise the human race is finished. Its as simple as that.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 17:54

I can't believe there are people on this thread who want to haggle over whether we are facing total extinction, or just near annihilation , not to mention what it means to other species....

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PlanDeRaccordement · 09/08/2021 17:54

@BeetleyCarapace

A massive win on this would be the emancipation of women in the developing world. Access to education and reproductive health. It's massive.
This. Overpopulation is bigger issue than climate change because so long as we can migrate to the best temperate zones, humanity will be ok. But over population will lead to over pollution and us poisoning ourselves. Emancipation of women and especially reproductive rights makes populations stabilise and sustainable levels. It’s been proven over and over globally. Every country with women’s rights has a stable and sustainable birth rate.
PlanDeRaccordement · 09/08/2021 17:56

@54321nought

I can't believe there are people on this thread who want to haggle over whether we are facing total extinction, or just near annihilation , not to mention what it means to other species....
We are facing neither total extinction nor near annihilation. Both are exaggerations and honestly do more harm than good because it encourages people to give up and no do anything environmentally sustainable or conscious.
markmichelle · 09/08/2021 17:57

Oh Yes let's all panic, let's start banning things to please the extreme Left.
Going to work on a bicycle will make No Difference.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 17:58

Even the European dark ages after Roman Empire collapsed were not that bad

what are you talking about?

It would be ok with you, would it, to be living in total lawlessness with no defences at all, no food security and completely at the mercy of which ever local warlord happened to wake up that morning feeling the most muscly?

You are clearly someone who has spent their entire life in such a tightly locked ivory tower that you have never even had to consider what it would be like to live in war zone, or under a famine, or without sanitation, or without the rule of law, or without a health service, etc

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MarshaBradyo · 09/08/2021 17:58

This is caused by emissions and us or do some still dispute this?

I think we’ll see more extreme weather and fires, we’re already seeing it.

People will factor in climate to country of residence choice if they can.

Migration from difficult areas a big issue.

Rabblesthecat · 09/08/2021 17:58

Fact is most of the people who could do something about it will be long dead by the time it happens so probably don’t care

I’m 45, I’ll be dead before it happens so I’ve no skin in the game so why make the rest of my life miserable

LarryTheLurker · 09/08/2021 17:59

Don't waste my time with this headless chicken routine. You panic if you must, but be more responsible than to try to spread it. Neither the planet nor the human race is in danger. Global temperatures, excepting for the record El Nino in 2015/16, are no higher now than they were two decades ago.

You really want to reduce global carbon dioxide (not carbon, that's something completely different) emissions, go talk to the Chinese, Russians and Indians. There is nothing - absolutely nothing - we can do on our little island to bring global CO2 emissions down, so stop pretending the only way to avoid disaster is for us to destroy our society.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 17:59

@markmichelle

Oh Yes let's all panic, let's start banning things to please the extreme Left. Going to work on a bicycle will make No Difference.
Everyone going to work on a bicycle would make a big difference - saying it would make no difference implies to me that you COULD, but are looking for excuses not to.

Do you cycle to work?

If not, are you prepared to justify, in detail, why you don't?

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RuthTopp · 09/08/2021 18:01

I listened to a podcast the other day , that had an expert basically saying that babies about to be born would not become great grandparents in the majority of cases.

rottd · 09/08/2021 18:02

We have to reduce the number of children we are having

Tbf the west has already done this due naturally, our population growth is due to living longer.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 18:02

Why are people repeatedly using the word "panic". I am not panicking in any way at all.

I think its because you assume that these projections and scenarios must be the result of panic, rather than scientific evidence.

Or else you feel panicky thinking about the future, so associate panic with the predications?

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Needapoodle · 09/08/2021 18:02

On an individual level anything i do is a drop in the ocean. So what's the point? The issue is governments and big industries. Me recycling my milk bottles and eating one less portion of meat a week will not make any difference at all.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 18:03

@rottd

We have to reduce the number of children we are having

Tbf the west has already done this due naturally, our population growth is due to living longer.

Yes, this is one thing covid has done around the world too, bring the birth rate down.
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rottd · 09/08/2021 18:04

Migration is already a contentious issue in this country, we can expect an awful lot more if half the planet becomes uninhabitable.

tbf we will need them due to lack of young people, most of Europe will.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 18:04

@Needapoodle

On an individual level anything i do is a drop in the ocean. So what's the point? The issue is governments and big industries. Me recycling my milk bottles and eating one less portion of meat a week will not make any difference at all.
There is a hierarchy of affectedness.

Cutting out meat is actually a lot more effective than recycling.

But both are worth doing - cutting down on meat especially

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Needapoodle · 09/08/2021 18:05

*There is a hierarchy of affectedness.

Cutting out meat is actually a lot more effective than recycling.

But both are worth doing - cutting down on meat especially*

But me doing those things isn't going to stop climate change. You've just said it's irreversible.

rottd · 09/08/2021 18:05

@54321nought falling birth rates in the west was a thing way before covid due to education & economic constraints.

It's a huge issue though hence why China has done a 180 & moved to a three child policy.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 09/08/2021 18:09

The thing is that a bunch of us cycling to work isn't going to make much difference (and I can justify not cycling to work cos I wfh the last 8 years and I'm disabled).

Bigger steps need to be made and it starts with places like India and China, it starts with businesses who offer fast consumerism and it starts with manufacturing and production on a large scale..

PurpleVerbena · 09/08/2021 18:10

It has already been pointed out but these climate changes go in cycles and have done for millennia. Yes, unfortunately the human race may be decimated but it will resurge again one day. You cannot beat nature and the astounding statistics about the population of the world speak volumes. From 1.5 billion inhabitants at the start of the 20th century, to 2.5 billion in the 1950s to nearly 8 billion now. It is unsustainable. Something has to change to stop people breeding indiscriminately.

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54321nought · 09/08/2021 18:10

@SnipSnipMrBurgess

The thing is that a bunch of us cycling to work isn't going to make much difference (and I can justify not cycling to work cos I wfh the last 8 years and I'm disabled).

Bigger steps need to be made and it starts with places like India and China, it starts with businesses who offer fast consumerism and it starts with manufacturing and production on a large scale..

I meant cycling as opposed to driving, not cycling as opposed to wfh.
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AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 09/08/2021 18:11

@Hekatestorch see this annoys me. I do what I can I recycle, I don’t go abroad, I have meat free nights and I get my milk from farm near me, don’t have the heating on stupidly high in the winter and have a well insulated house. Unfortunately I live rurally no where near school, shops, doctors and I work in rural community nursing covering a large area so I rely on my car. It’s a new 1.2 small car so hardly gas guzzling. As for car sharing it wouldn’t work in my situation

HasaDigaEebowai · 09/08/2021 18:11

Im pleased there have been numerous posts on this over the past few days. It means people are listening. Unfortunately certain people are bombarding all of them STILL denying that climate change is an issue even when faced with a report like this. Best thing to do is to ignore since they just derail what is an important discussion.

Most of us here will see these changes unfortunately. Things are changing now. People are dying and we are reaching the point of no return. Every single thing that people do to make a change is of vital importance but the most significant things you can do are to massively reduce meat and fish consumption, stop flying, change to public transport/electric cars (but only once your current car is no longer useful unless you are selling it on to someone else), use green energy (generate your own if you can but if not then switch to a green tariff) and to stop consuming endless "stuff". Nobody needs fast fashion in particular.

rottd · 09/08/2021 18:11

Something has to change to stop people breeding indiscriminately.

What do you suggest? And how do you manage the impact of that?

ichundich · 09/08/2021 18:12

Covid has shown that it can be done; we can change the way we live for the greater good. I hope the climate emergency remains headline news until enough people and politicians realise that we must act immediately to prevent an even worse outcome. What we need is legislation to curb / reduce to zero CO2 emissions, including but no limited to: quotas for flying, free public transport, compulsory solar panels and proper insulation on all new builds, grants for private households that want to install heat pumps / green technologies, a ban on fossil fuel cars before 2030, high taxes on meat and dairy products, a national cycle network that extends to every village in the country. The point of no return may have been reached, but there is still hope if the people in power finally start to take this seriously.