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Our three year old is making us all miserable :(

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ThreenagerBlues · 31/07/2021 16:29

Coming to the end of a week off of much awaited annual leave where once again, I come to realise I'm happier when I'm at work. It feels so horrible to say this but I just don't enjoy living with our three year old DS. His constant tantrums, nagging and whinging has reached a point where it is just so draining and exhausting. My mental health is falling through the floor. I honestly can't remember the last time I had a day where I felt happy Sad. There might be parts of a day that are ok because we go out for a nice walk or he may have a couple of hours where he's at that optimum level of not being tired, bored, hungry etc. But the vast majority of the time, life just feels like one long endurance test both physically and mentally.

It's effecting my older DD too who is 8. She gets frustrated by his tantrums and the way he tends to bulldoze in and ruin anything she wants to do. She then ends up lashing out at him and gets told off too.

Mine and DH relationship is becoming non existent. It's like we are just surviving..both exhausted and stressed and sick to death of the daily grind of work, childcare plus some fairly major work we are having to do on our house which we can't put on hold as at the point of no return now and it's a mess. There's next to no downtime. We've not had a child free night since before DS was born. The grandparents won't have DS until he is less of a handful and tbh they aren't young and I would feel too worried that they were struggling with him.

Earlier today I was in tears yet again because after 5 hours of almost constant tantrums over every little thing I just couldn't take anymore. DH always shares the load but today busy doing building work which I don't want to delay as that's another aspect of our lives that is stressful right now and the sooner it's finished the better. I ended up cuddling DS both of us in tears until he eventually gave in and fell asleep as sometimes only a nap will help reset his mood. I found myself thinking how much happier we were as a family before we had him. How bloody awful is that Sad. He was so wanted and I love him but I just feel so done with parenting. I don't even think I'm very good at it tbh because otherwise I wouldn't be hating it so much would I?
I don't really know what I'm asking here tbh. Survival tips? Because I'm sinking. Really, really sinking Sad

OP posts:
Phineyj · 01/08/2021 18:43

We gave up on the homework after years of misery and she started to do a bit unprompted. Melatonin sorted out the sleep. It was the ADHD - she just couldn't fall asleep.

It's the pits, isn't it?!

ThreenagerBlues · 02/08/2021 23:31

Thank you to all who took time to give their advice here. The weekend was just pure hell quite frankly and it has made me try to take a step back and look at how we can avoid things being so bad again.

Re. Nursery, sadly completely full for this summer but am definitely going to ask to change to full time contract so that would mean he does 3 days a weeks through the holidays as well. This would allow us to give the DC more individual attention as well.

His behaviour at nursery is fine, he has the odd stand off over things like having his suncream put on but I don't think he has the tantrums on the scale he does at home or else I'm sure they would be telling us about it. So like a PP, said we know he can behave well and that tells me the triggers for his tantrums are at home.

His communication is good, really good in fact, would say he talks better than average for a 3 year old but he's still only 3 so I think the issue is his understanding on why he can't do something or indeed has to do something. I also think he plays up worse for me than DH but I'm not quite sure why that is. Due to our work routines, DH has to do routine things when I'm not at home like baths, cleaning teeth and DS doesn't usually make a fuss. However, when I do these things with him he seems to use it as a chance to test me and see if he can get out of it. Does quite often mean that I rarely seem to be able to do much with him in a calm manner and perhaps my guard is already up before we start. Brushing teeth is one of the current battles, he just will not let me do it however I try...let him do some first, sit on my lap, promise of a reward afterwards.

I don't think people are wrong to consider SEN, it has crossed my mind as he can be so volatile over the slightest thing and so completely different to how DD was. But ultimately I think he is just a challenging 3 year old. He's fiercely independent and wants a lot of control. I do try to pick my battles but comes to a point where you have to stand your ground on some things. A PP mentioned how timeout made things worse for their DC, this is definitely true of DS, it just enrages him even more. I feel like he is just really struggling with being this age.

The things that stand out from peoples posts are routine and getting out of the house. This is definitely something that has taken a slide recently. So we will work on that. I think I've become stuck in a rut of constant exhaustion and the effort of getting out and dealing with the fuck wittery of getting ready to get out of the house has led to me not bothering if I don't have to. We have a big garden so I try to kid myself he can just run about out there instead but it's not the same as going out and about. I think it's the stimulus of actually being somewhere else that satisfies him rather that just burning off energy outside.

The other thing is attention and negative energy. I think to a certain extent recently I've sort of checked out emotionally. Love the bones of him but also struggling to cope with him and my metal health is suffering. So I think my coping mechanism has started to be that I am distancing myself from everyone when I can because I feel it's better for me to not be around them if I'm in a negative mood. Maybe at times I'm not making enough time for him and this is also effecting his behaviour. But when I do give him attention, it's often constant demands which then lead to tantrums as eventually it will be something that I have to say the dreaded no word to. Another one of those vicious cycles.

It's a storm we've got to ride out I think but I think we can improve by getting some structure back to our day. Going to read the thread again as some great advice here, thank you Flowers

OP posts:
MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/08/2021 23:35

Have you tried a timer?

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ThreenagerBlues · 02/08/2021 23:45

No I haven't. In what situation?

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ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 02/08/2021 23:54

Re behaving well for other people. I’d suggest reading up on ASD and masking. It could be something else entirely, but it could be that you’re his safe person, and he bottles it all up and then explodes when he gets to you.
I’m sorry you had a rough weekend Flowers and hope you have some real life support. Even meeting another mum for park or soft play, so you have someone to chat to, and a reason to make yourself get out of the house. x

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/08/2021 23:55

You can make teeth cleaning a game , so keep it all light and fun( while internally rolling your eyes Wink) and say ' Right, I'm going to set the timer for 5 mins first one upstairs and into pajamas / teeth cleaned/ gets to chose the first story/ sticker, ready, steady GO!'

As long as his dad manages to check his teeth once a day, that's enough while you get on top of things,don't get locked into teeth cleaning battles.

Garden playing isn't enough, you need to get out and walk and run. He sounds like a bright lad and he'll benefit from a change of scene. If you make it the norm to go out straight after breakfast he'll get used to getting ready. If he doesn't want to get ready, take his boots and coat and just go, he'll soon change his mind once he realises you mean business. More importantly YOU need to be with him where you're not locked into a battle. Disengage and breeeeeetheSmileWine

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/08/2021 23:56

But when I do give him attention, it's often constant demands which then lead to tantrums as eventually it will be something that I have to say the dreaded no word to what does he ask for? Can you try not to say no but offer an alternative?

lollipoprainbow · 02/08/2021 23:58

I feel like this with my sen dd 9 some days and it all gets too much.

Whydidimarryhim · 03/08/2021 06:24

I understand your exhausted - let’s not jump to ASD - let’s see if ignoring the negative and noticing the positive can work first.
He could now how to press your buttons and get a reaction.
I’m sure you use distraction or diversion techniques.
As someone else suggestion can you split the parenting - one goes out with your son and the other stays home. Or one takes them both out for a few hours - and the other recovers!!!
Yes a good run around for him - swimming pool - soft play - mother and toddler groups - there will be some open -
It’s hard to ignore the whining but can you try - diversion -
Don’t let the little blighter destroy you both. 💐

Phineyj · 03/08/2021 08:37

He sounds really bright and probably does need the stimulation of going out and doing things. Can you use Covid/the summer holidays to your advantage? Nearly everything needs advance booking, a timeslot or to get there early before the parking fills, so use that to create an incentive to get out there e.g. better get those teeth brushed DS! We don't want to be late for the swimming pool. Etc.

I can relate to the feeling of not wanting to make an effort for a child who's been vile all weekend, but it's worth doing whatever you can to try not to take it personally, because it's not meant personally.

Things I've tried: keeping a diary (useful to identify trigger points); reading books (The Explosive Child and 10 Days to a Less Defiant Child are good); unloading to friends or colleagues (can backfire and leave you feeling worse if they think your DC's problems extreme...). DH and I have tried various therapists too (because a demanding DC puts so much pressure on your mental health and marriage). The only really useful one was a practitioner of something called 'Non violent resistance' or NVR. Worth checking out.

The SEN thing - the point is not to Internet diagnose but that strategies used for DC with ADHD and ASD/PDA might be helpful to you, because parents like us have been there and got the t-shirt (the regular dose of judgement you get from people with more compliant children/who only see your DC at their best, being the cherry on top).

I hope you feel better soon. Try not to take it personally.

Comedycook · 03/08/2021 08:52

Is your dd a very compliant child op? Your ds doesnt sound anything particularly out if the ordinary to me. I wonder if it's just a shock to you if your eldest is easy to look after and does what she's told. My dd is well behaved...you ask her to brush her teeth or get dressed, or go to bed and she cheerfully answers yes mum and does it. With my ds, every request is a battle

Peppaismyrolemodel · 03/08/2021 09:52

Bad weather days go to a shopping centre on the morning and let him run loops- if you are in south east, bluewater is great- no going into shops, no buying, just let him run ahead for an hour or two (they are usually pretty empty till 10:30am)

kirinm · 03/08/2021 10:01

If you're not going out too much, he could just be bored. I have a very nearly 3 year old and she has to go out every day. We only ever stay in if she's unwell as she just gets too bored and starts to play up.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 03/08/2021 10:04

If you're not going out too much, he could just be bored. I have a very nearly 3 year old and she has to go out every day. We only ever stay in if she's unwell as she just gets too bored and starts to play up

From what you've posted OP it really does sound like that,I agree. It's the equivalent of letting a dog out in the garden or taking it for a good romp for an hour- the two are worlds apart and make a huge difference.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 03/08/2021 13:09

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

If you're not going out too much, he could just be bored. I have a very nearly 3 year old and she has to go out every day. We only ever stay in if she's unwell as she just gets too bored and starts to play up

From what you've posted OP it really does sound like that,I agree. It's the equivalent of letting a dog out in the garden or taking it for a good romp for an hour- the two are worlds apart and make a huge difference.

I was going to say in my original reply that my attitude to my son is pretty much the same as if I had a dog.

Make sure he gets a good run every day. Make sure he’s well fed. And make time for “training” (just quiet time reading together, or singing or learning his phonics)

spinningspaniels · 03/08/2021 13:18

I had my 3 yr old DGD at the weekend. We did a long walk (out for nearly 60 mins but walking at a slow crawl looking for butterflies) then came home to play lego/do drawing. After lunch, we did some gardening (gave her a bag of compost and empty pots) and then another sloooooow walk with the dogs before tea. Bed at 6.30pm, out like a light. And only one very minor tantrum over the wrong cup!

I was bloody exhausted after a week at work but knew she'd be hell on legs without occupying. They need physically tiring out at this age.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 03/08/2021 15:03

@spinningspaniels that sounds like the days I had to have with ds when he was small, basically outside in all weathers, we had boots and rain macs and off we'd go.

I do remember 3 being a particularly challenging age but he settled down once he got to nursery when he was nearly 4.

kirinm · 03/08/2021 15:44

I also don't think behaving for one parent and being a pain for the other is that uncommon. My DD has a very definite preference for who does what. She goes apeshit if my DP brushes her teeth for absolutely no logical reason at all.

But also, she is nearly 3 and just whinges and throws herself on the floor when she doesn't get precisely what she wants.

I'd concentrate on tiring him out with mornings / afternoons out and see how you go.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 03/08/2021 16:41

What do you do when he tantrums? Do you engage or walk away?

Londonlady92 · 05/08/2021 12:39

Wow I just posted the exact same thing. Just wanted to send hugs from one desperate mum to another x

Summerreign · 24/12/2022 20:22

Hi OP, just wondered how you are getting along? I’m having a similar problem at the moment

suzyscat · 24/12/2022 23:46

CastMeAdrift · 31/07/2021 16:47

OP, I could of written your post. And did the other day but didn’t get many replies.

I have a three year old and a five year old who are both like this. So I get the tantrums with constant fighting. I don’t really know how much longer I can hold on. My and DH relationship has gone down the pan. I think he’s totally checked out and hates being with the kids. He doesn’t really get involved unless he’s shouting at them. I love them to pieces but I hate parenting them 99% of the time.

You are not alone but I have no help, I’m sorry. Hopefully someone will be along with some magical tips. I do think the job of parenting difficult kids is made so much harder when the parents MH is in a poor state. I feel like I’m barely treading water most days.

When my two were 3 and 5 I made a reward system, where they earned points for loyalty and teamwork and not snitching on each other. They kept trying to do chores to earn points but never succeeded as it was only for loyalty. We'd forget about it for bits of time and then remember. We filled it up once and it's sat half re completed for years but it got them back into the pattern of being a team and they're really close now and often good at resolving disputes between themselves.

Lollyloup81 · 27/10/2023 15:56

Hi OP I know this post is a couple of years old but I've been searching the net today for posts similar to what I am dealing with at home with my 3yo DS, your DSs behaviour was very very similar and I am actually broken and crying daily because there is literally nothing I can do to improve it.
I was hoping you could tell me your DS improved after some time? Hope you're in a better place now xxx

Londonlady92 · 27/10/2023 19:36

She did improve! She's 5 now still has her days but much better. Sending hugs.

cardboardbox24 · 27/10/2023 21:25

@Lollyloup81 I posted on this thread when it was first started (name changed now) in solidarity with the OP. I was having the hardest time with my 2.5 year old and felt totally desperate. Anyway, he's now nearly 5 and can still sometimes be a handful but things are so, so much better, he's a joy to be around so much of the time. Hang on in there!

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