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Migrants, where do they go?

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HeidiHoNeighbour · 20/07/2021 08:44

Watching the news this morning and a dinghy with migrants is being live broadcast.

I wondered where do they go?
When they reach shore?
How do they manage?
You have enough problems getting any form of help (benefits, housing) even if you do have the paperwork.

I’m not even thinking about the things they’ve left behind or how desperate they must be to risk lives.

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LemonRoses · 20/07/2021 14:44

@Jellycatspyjamas

I think you're confusing migrants and illegal migrants.

Asylum seekers and refugees aren’t illegal migrants.

Exactly this.

People can claim asylum regardless of route of entry.

Most refugees claiming asylum do not come to the UK. In 2020 (the latest period for which data is currently available), the highest number of first-time asylum applicants was registered in Germany with 121,995 first-time applicants followed by France with 92,200, Spain with 88,530 and Greece with 40,560.

There is no such thing as a bogus asylum-seeker or an illegal asylum-seeker. As an asylum-seeker, a person has entered into a legal process of refugee status determination. Everybody has a right to seek asylum in another country.

The majority of asylum-seekers do not have the right to work in the United Kingdom and so must rely on state support.

Housing is provided, but asylum-seekers cannot choose where it is, and it is often ‘hard to let’ properties which Council tenants do not want to live in. In Kent, near derelict and unsanitary ex arm y barracks were used.

Cash support is available, and is currently set at £39.63 per person, per week, which makes it £5.64 a day for food, sanitation and clothing. Hardly living the life of Reilly!

Subsidiary protection can be given to people who do not meet the 1951 Convention’s legal definition of a refugee but are still in need of international protection.

Across the EU, the Qualification Directive provides subsidiary protection for those facing the following threats if returned to their country: (1) the death penalty or execution; (2) torture, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment; or (3) threats from an international or internal armed conflict.

Given most seeking asylum come from areas such as Iran, Afghanistan, Eritrea or Yemen it is clear they meet the criteria.

What is wrong is not the few people (including families with young children and unaccompanied children) trying to flee across the channel in cheap inflatable dinghies after hazardous cross country transit. The major problem is the lack of basic humanity and compassion towards people with nothing. A bot more sharing of word resources might see less conflict and less need for asylum. We are fortunate by an accident of birth alone.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 20/07/2021 15:06

@fairgame84

You're a bit wet behind the ears if you think every single person in those boats is a refugee. Most are but some are migrants. Some are fleeing from perfectly safe countries and travelling through perfectly safe countries to get to the uk. Same as my husbands friend who got in.a dinghy from Africa to Italy. Totally not a refugee but no doubt some will say he is because he was in a dinghy. He just wanted a better life and more money.
But how do you know that when they're crossing the channel? The assumption has to be that they are seeking refuge with such dangerous means of entering, with a few (Hmmif you say so) having no intention of claiming which still doesn't make them illegal people. You can't assume that a boat load of people will obviously plan on hiding in the hills and not start the asylum process.
IGiveUpWithSomePeople · 20/07/2021 15:09

@LemonRoses which kent army barracks are you referring to and where were they made to pay for food , clothes & sanitation ?
Im interested to learn more

LemonRoses · 20/07/2021 15:16

[quote IGiveUpWithSomePeople]@LemonRoses which kent army barracks are you referring to and where were they made to pay for food , clothes & sanitation ?
Im interested to learn more[/quote]
Wasn't it the Napier barracks? I don't think those housed in barracks needed to pay, it's those housed in the community who get minimal cash.
The High Court ruled they were being housed illegally.

Fangsalot89 · 20/07/2021 15:17

@SteveyWeevey Napier barracks wasn’t fit for purpose.
Little to no medical assistance during a pandemic with zero privacy, lacking sanitation and terrible food. Heating during winter was an issue.
Imagine how fucked the situation has to be to prefer to sleep outside in order to protest. Slum would be pretty much the right word to use.
The grand burstin where they also get put up in is a shit hole and regularly voted one of the worst places to stay in the Uk.

MotionActivatedDog · 20/07/2021 15:18

They go to my friend who works for migrant help and she “processes” them. Meaning she works her ass off to arrange translators, medical checks, legal status checks, emergency accommodation, clothing and food for them. And toys if they have children with them. They liaise really closely with the police so that any migrants are brought to her as soon as possible then once they are sheltered and fed she tries to source long term support specific to each individual’s situation. She arranges social meet-ups, recreational activities, addiction support, GP registration and basically makes them feel like somebody gives a damn until the next service takes over their case. Some of them come back to visit her to tell her how they’re doing, thank her for helping them.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 20/07/2021 15:20

@MotionActivatedDog

They go to my friend who works for migrant help and she “processes” them. Meaning she works her ass off to arrange translators, medical checks, legal status checks, emergency accommodation, clothing and food for them. And toys if they have children with them. They liaise really closely with the police so that any migrants are brought to her as soon as possible then once they are sheltered and fed she tries to source long term support specific to each individual’s situation. She arranges social meet-ups, recreational activities, addiction support, GP registration and basically makes them feel like somebody gives a damn until the next service takes over their case. Some of them come back to visit her to tell her how they’re doing, thank her for helping them.
This is lovely and informative, thanks for the insight
ChardonnaysPetDragon · 20/07/2021 15:23

Please don't call refugees and asylum seekers 'illegals'.

Please don't call all illegal migrants refugees and asylum seekers.
You are cheapening genuine refugees by doing it.

MotionActivatedDog · 20/07/2021 15:33

Oh and for the ones who can’t or don’t want to stay (lots of trafficked people) she arranges their transport back to their home country and for someone to meet them at the other end and make sure they get home.

IGiveUpWithSomePeople · 20/07/2021 15:47

@LenonRoses, Napier was the only one I know of in kent and honestly it was fine, not perfect but it was an emergency measure and from what I can recall, a couple of million had been spent on it to make it more habitable from when it was used by the army and sea scouts
Others were moved to local hotels where they, along with everyone else had to stay in lock down.
@Fangsalot89 nobody with local knowledge calls it the Grand Burstin, its basic but its safe and dry
Again emergency measures
I'm honestly not try to cause any bother but it wasn't as awful as people think
We all did our best

VladmirsPoutine · 20/07/2021 15:53

It depends largely on your world view whether or not anyone is 'illegal'. I don't believe anyone is.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 20/07/2021 16:08

Anyone can be. If I wanted to work in the US, for example and didn't have the paperwork for that I would be an illegal migrant there.

Illegal simply means not in accordance with the law. As long as here are laws there will be illegal migrants. I believe that laws keep society safe.

21Bee · 20/07/2021 16:17

I find it amazing people are complaining about the barracks that soldiers that sacrifice an awful lot for the people of this country are expected to live in.

Only the wealthiest of migrants can afford to pay people smugglers to get them here, those who live in abject poverty in refugee camps cannot afford to pay to get here.

saraclara · 20/07/2021 16:22

@21Bee

I find it amazing people are complaining about the barracks that soldiers that sacrifice an awful lot for the people of this country are expected to live in.

Only the wealthiest of migrants can afford to pay people smugglers to get them here, those who live in abject poverty in refugee camps cannot afford to pay to get here.

The barracks hadn't been lived in by soldiers for a long time. The buildings had obviously been degrading in that time.

Again, the Chief Inspector of Prisons said that it was unfit for habitation. I hardly think he was looking for luxury. Just a safe and hygienic roof over these people's heads.

21Bee · 20/07/2021 16:36

@saraclara They were last used by the MOD in 2030. I am fully aware how soldiers are treated as I am married to one. It is certainly not always as well as the migrants in that camp.

IGiveUpWithSomePeople · 20/07/2021 16:38

It was safe and hygienic @saraclara.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove?
Actually I don't really care after I've seen the rubbish you have written
I live here. I've seen what I've seen, so you just crack on and believe your truth

Fangsalot89 · 20/07/2021 16:42

@IGiveUpWithSomePeople What about a resident of Folkestone? Is that local enough to have adequate knowledge?

Fangsalot89 · 20/07/2021 16:45

@21Bee Hold up, they travelled in time?
That’s some cheeky asylum seekers right there.
Anyway, the soldiers who were housed at Napier didn’t have the same conditions as the migrants. Not sure why you are trying to dispute it.

saraclara · 20/07/2021 16:48

[quote 21Bee]@saraclara They were last used by the MOD in 2030. I am fully aware how soldiers are treated as I am married to one. It is certainly not always as well as the migrants in that camp.[/quote]
They were used by the MOD until 2020, but not to house soldiers. That hadn't happened there for some years.

IGiveUpWithSomePeople · 20/07/2021 16:48

[quote Fangsalot89]@IGiveUpWithSomePeople What about a resident of Folkestone? Is that local enough to have adequate knowledge?[/quote]
Then you should know better if you are a local
Seriously

saraclara · 20/07/2021 16:49

[quote Fangsalot89]@IGiveUpWithSomePeople What about a resident of Folkestone? Is that local enough to have adequate knowledge?[/quote]
Not if you haven't been inside the barracks while the asylum seekers were there, no.

saraclara · 20/07/2021 16:51

@IGiveUpWithSomePeople

It was safe and hygienic *@saraclara*. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove? Actually I don't really care after I've seen the rubbish you have written I live here. I've seen what I've seen, so you just crack on and believe your truth
The only 'rubbish' I've written, is what the Chief Inspector of Prisons said. That it was far from safe and hygienic, and part of it were unfit for habitation. And I linked you to the full report on the govt's website.

If that counts as 'rubbish' I really don't know how to help you.

Fangsalot89 · 20/07/2021 17:03

@IGiveUpWithSomePeople because I referred to the hotel by its official name so everyone could know what I’m referring to, I should know better? Brilliant 🤣

@saraclara and then if I have been inside, what then?

IGiveUpWithSomePeople · 20/07/2021 17:04

Equally I don't know how to help you
You carry on believing, it wasn't unsafe when they renovated it
We did what we could within the time limits
Let's be glad that they had somewhere safe to stay with food and beds
With Emergency services to go out and help them
But hey, if that's not good enough............
I'm not sure what else we can do to be honest
I hope you are watchthe news at the moment

gillysSong · 20/07/2021 17:09

Did you see the news report, it was awful.
They stayed in what looked like an aircraft hanger, they have a bunk bed and a mattress riddled in fleas.
They are kept here indefintely.

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