Moving from Scotland to England-Differences.

[IcedBunsForMe]

I'm planning a move from Scotland to England in the next year. Still finalising area now that I have it narrowed down. I know that it isn't like moving abroad but there are still some differences including water charges and prescription charges.

I know that every place is different but if you've made the move from Scotland to England.Or vice versa. What differences did you notice. Practical or cultural? And what did you miss? Morning rolls for me.

TIA

The term “morning rolls” goes back to the days of coal/wood fired ovens, and were rolls cooked early in the day when the oven was not yet at its hottest. This makes them a different texture to the dough cooked later in the day when the ovens got hotter. I think they are fluffier, unlike the oven-bottom fltolks with the charred bases which are quite dense.Obviously, these days, oven temperature is more controllable.

@HowManyToes

Tap water is shite! 😂

Depends where you live. It tastes awful where I grew up in Devon. Where I used to live six miles away from where I do now it was also awful and I needed a water filter.

Don't need a water filter now, water is quite nice. I don't know where it comes from, but clearly somewhere different to the place 6 miles away! So when you are house hunting, maybe taste the tap water in the house :)

@glasshalfsomething

They don’t use the word ‘outwith’ 🤷‍♀️

I have adopted it even though I have never lived in Scotland and as far as I know, have no Scottish blood. It's so useful.

Actually fish supper is used in England, not an expression I use but in the Midlands older people would use in it

Wow, I've lived in the Midlands for 40 years of my life, but have never heard anybody use that phrase.

I’ve had to google “outwith.” It means beyond.
Eg the office is open 9-5 but it may be necessary to work outwith these hours.

Gosh, after reading this thread, it's amazed me how many differences there are. Coming from Scotland 34yrs ago, I still ask for a fish supper, then when they just look at me, I remember to ask for fish and chips.

It is not outwith the realms of possibility that it's actually called a "chippy tea"

@Papergirl1968

I’ve had to google “outwith.” It means beyond. Eg the office is open 9-5 but it may be necessary to work outwith these hours.

See, I [English but longtime Scotland resident] would never use the word ‘beyond’ in the sentence you’ve given there. With my English-person hat on, I’d have to say something like ‘outside of’ or ‘over and above’, both of which are a bit clunky. But by my understanding, outwith can also mean ‘outside’ in the physical sense (as in ‘parking is located outwith the property boundary’) or ‘in excess of’ or ‘with the exception of’ or, as you say, ‘beyond’. It’s just that in English-English you have to pick which one of these fits the individual circumstance, whereas outwith is just one little word which elegantly does them all.

Former Scotland resident, I should say, for the avoidance of confusion, but I was there for around 15 years and would go back in a heartbeat.

I’ve had to google “outwith.” It means beyond.
Eg the office is open 9-5 but it may be necessary to work outwith these hours.

It's basically kept its original meaning, whereas 'without' used to mean the same thing as outwith, but has long since changed it's meaning in common parlance.

If anybody knows the old hymn 'There is a green hill far away, without a city wall....' - it doesn't mean that the hill itself doesn't have its own wall, as if it were a city (why would it?!); it means that the hill is outside of the boundaries of the city wall.

*its meaning - how did that rogue apostrophe creep in?!

@Branleuse that would have been a better way of saying it because they are not really the same thing.

[quote Mrstreehouse]@Branleuse that would have been a better way of saying it because they are not really the same thing.[/quote]
sorry, I just thought it would be obvious I was being facetious.

@felulageller

If you go to church, like for a wedding/ funeral you realise that the church of England (Episcopal) is very different from the church of Scotland (Presbyterian).

Churches are a lot more involved in schools, you may not have access to a non church school.

I find most English people don't drink as much definitely less binge drinking. People seem healthier generally.

Politically a lot of English people feel 'homeless' due to the 2 party system. There isn't the choice of political affiliations.

Redheads are rare in England.

There is much more racial diversity.

Flights are cheaper.

There aren't as many take out shops.

Class is a bigger issue. There's loads of fawning over the monarchy.

Red heads are rare??

I'm English by several generations. Out of the 6 people in my house 4 are redheads! Theres loads about.

If you say Yorkshire, Lancashire etc you don't pronounce the 'shire' bit in the same way

This thread is making me rather homesick. (Scot in England)

Also finding the comments on skin being left on fish odd. I have lived in both Surrey and West Sussex and never had a chip shop do this.

I've lived in a few places, Oxford and London both sold fish with the skin on. At one chippy in Oxford they sold chip butties, but they had an explanation of what it was.

OP

Depending where you move you may need to learn new words for bread and sandwiches, they are not a piece but could be a butty or a roll or a batch or a barm or barm cake and probably a few others.

We don't 'do the messages' we go to the shops and, "where are you staying?" is only used for short term rentals like holiday homes or hotels.

If the OP comes to Yorkshire, it's a breadcake or teacake.

Our fish cakes are much better different too. Piece of fish between two slices of potato then battered and deep fried.

Friend who grew up in London always complains about non skinned fish.

She makes a special order at her local one and tells them she's coming in later and to save her a piece of unskinned fish.

I’m from Yorkshire and never had a fish cake like that so really depends which part of Yorkshire!

Like other posters from Yorkshire I don’t recognise the England that most posters are describing. I agree with a PP that you really need to consider London and the home counties as a separate entity, then there is the rest of England. (disclaimer - I have lived in both)

I live in reservoir country, and our water is from the rain that falls on the Pennines. It is the right level of hardness – I don’t have to spend ages rinsing soap off my hands, and it doesn’t fur up pipes and kettles. It also makes great tea.
Fish from a chip shop has no skin on it.
People are friendly and we always say hello to other people when out walking. It is just the done thing round here.

I live in Yorkshire and have never heard of those fishcakes. Maybe they are particular to a certain area. Which really is the point of this thread - England is very variable!

@Maireas

I live in Yorkshire and have never heard of those fishcakes. Maybe they are particular to a certain area. Which really is the point of this thread - England is very variable!

I think they may be a Leeds delicacy. I remember getting one in a chip shop in Hunslet, shortly after moving up from London, and thinking "what on earth is this?"

It must be, @RampantIvy! We are so aware of globalism, we forget that there are so many local variables.
In Sheffield, if you ask about opening times or visiting times, they say "8 while 4" or "9 while 5", which is an interesting linguistic variant that I'd not come across before.

I live in Yorkshire and have never heard of those fishcakes. Maybe they are particular to a certain area. Which really is the point of this thread - England is very variable!

West Yorkshire born - yes I have had these.

Anyone heard of a fish scone?

Yes, that was my point, I was confused by you referring to Yorkshire as a whole.