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BogRollBOGOF · 2021-07-15T22:07:03+00:00

🎵 Every day I hear a different story People sayin' that you’re no good for me Saw your lover with another And she’s making a fool of you, oh 🎵 If you love me baby, you'd deny it But you laugh and tell me I should try it Tell me I’m a baby, and I don't understand Go Wham!

CruCru · 02/08/2021 13:21

Hi all!

We’ve just been to our local petting farm / outdoor play area. Masks are at your own discretion so hardly any - it was quite normal.

I’m getting so sick of the word “selfish” - why on earth is it still being used for normal things?

TabbyStar · 02/08/2021 13:58

Do masks really make that much of a difference?

Not if you haven't actually got Covid! I'm convinced from reading the research and looking at graphs of mask introduction across various countries and states that they make very very little difference. This indicates that 200,000 people would need to wear masks to prevent one infection / week www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/ - that might be worth it if there was no cost to wearing masks, but there clearly is. I'm still going unmasked. It's actually more triggering for me now (sexual assault survivor) if I feel that I'm choosing to wear one when I don't have to.

justasking111 · 02/08/2021 14:07

I was told it was selfish to go food shopping buy online. Reading about the food shortages which mean you need to venture out for missing food stuffs from the order. Just waiting for the cheese in coffee expert to wade in 😂😂

smallandimperfectlyformed · 02/08/2021 14:45

Being told I was selfish and willing to kill granny may have shut me up last year but the longer things went on the more likely I was to ignore being scolded and just carry on doing what I wanted to! Although I do have a ridiculous guilt complex so spoilt Boxing Day celebrations at my mums house by feeling awful about the fact that my brother and his partner came over with their children so there were 3 families mixing...I tried really hard not to let everyone know how uncomfortable I was but it was horrible! Who would ever have thought that being amongst family members would have been forbidden?! It's just been such a weird time and I think it's left us all scarred. TabbyStar sexual assault survivors and DV survivors have had it so hard with people wanting to know about their exemptions, I am sorry because I know that they can trigger people too.

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BogRollBOGOF · 02/08/2021 16:57

DH is off to see granny for his 30 min slot for the first time in about 20 months. He's been doing LFTs as a precaution. We didn't go out much last week on the first week of the holidays to maximise our chances of getting here and DH getting this visit in.
We're trying pretty hard not to kill granny despite my murderous bare-faced ways.
Time or anything really can get her in the state of health that she's now in.

Despite the dementoring of one sibling-in-law she still ended up in hospital anyway, and probably worse off because family have avoided seeing her in the house anyway. Add in neglected routine healthcare and no wonder she's deteriorated rapidly. It was going to happen at some point, but the past 16m have aggravated it.
I can't confidently state that my DCs will be able to see her properly again.
DH will try a solo visit later in the year, but it's better that he literally does a flying visit (which I literally can't face) and if it's colds/ flu season, they won't have their vaccine until after the holidays and she is at the point where a cold is a serious hazard, especially having spent over a year isolated from close contact with people.
It's all a bloody mess anyway.

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MercyBooth · 02/08/2021 17:46

@smallandimperfectlyformed Have you seen the thread about the triple lock. Seems its ok for pensioners to starve and freeze to death as long as its not Covid they die of.
Pissed off today. DM had another fall this morning and knocked her head. Dad phoned for an ambulance. They couldnt send one so Dad had to pick her up off the floor and drive her in. Im waiting to hear anything else.

Another thread about "the book" has appeared . I wonder how long for.

Worldgonecrazy · 02/08/2021 17:57

Why is every advert about how clean or safe a company is. Can we please have one using the fact that they are back to normality as a selling point?

smallandimperfectlyformed · 02/08/2021 18:24

Oh no MercyBooth what a worry. Glad that your father was able to drive her in himself but they should have been able to get an ambulance out to her. I hope she is OK. No, I haven't seen the triple lock thread. I'll have a look but luckily today I am really enjoying a new book (The Switch by Beth O'Leary, popular women's fiction - "chick lit" if you will) so avoiding a lot or covid nonsense. BogRollBOGOF so many families have stories like this about the deterioration of their elderly relatives, it's so sad.

MercyBooth · 02/08/2021 20:52

Shes back home with a bandaged head. When she fell she caught the bit above her eye on the corner of the sideboard. Blood everywhere. She doesnt remember how she fell. Same as back in Feb when she broke her wrist.

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BogRollBOGOF · 02/08/2021 21:04

@MercyBooth

Shes back home with a bandaged head. When she fell she caught the bit above her eye on the corner of the sideboard. Blood everywhere. She doesnt remember how she fell. Same as back in Feb when she broke her wrist.

Is there any investigation into why she's falling and not remembering?

Friends called by us a couple of weeks ago on the way back from a day out and thet had one of their mums with them. Mid-70s. Aged a good 5+ years in the 18m-2yrs since we last saw her.

Lack of stimulation, activity and poor acess to healthcare has been appalling for older generations. Plus they're more dependent on the MSM narrative of fear.

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MercyBooth · 02/08/2021 21:45

YY @BogRollBOGOF I asked if they had given her a scan. They havent.

MercyBooth · 02/08/2021 21:49

A and E was packed. Five hour wait.

MercyBooth · 02/08/2021 21:51

Sorry to hear about your friends mum and how all this has affected her.

bluetongue · 02/08/2021 22:43

@TabbyStar

Do masks really make that much of a difference?

Not if you haven't actually got Covid! I'm convinced from reading the research and looking at graphs of mask introduction across various countries and states that they make very very little difference. This indicates that 200,000 people would need to wear masks to prevent one infection / week www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/ - that might be worth it if there was no cost to wearing masks, but there clearly is. I'm still going unmasked. It's actually more triggering for me now (sexual assault survivor) if I feel that I'm choosing to wear one when I don't have to.

I’m extremely sceptical as well.

The main health officer here has told us that ‘masks are our friends’ and all high school students have to wear them. It’s fucking insane. This is in a state with no current known Covid cases. Yes, we may need them for a while once we open up but there is no justification at the moment apart from winning the ‘who is the toughest state on covid’ award.

I’m trying to wear a mask only when I have no choice. I hate going out to restaurants and shops now because seeing all the poor workers in masks makes me feel anxious. Then I feel bad about not giving the businesses my money. It’s all such a head fuck isn’t it?

WouldBeGood · 02/08/2021 22:51

Personally, I think masks are ridiculous and pointless

justasking111 · 02/08/2021 23:05

@WouldBeGood

Personally, I think masks are ridiculous and pointless

An outward sign of compliance giving others a false sense of security

TabbyStar · 03/08/2021 07:14

I’m trying to wear a mask only when I have no choice. I hate going out to restaurants and shops now because seeing all the poor workers in masks makes me feel anxious. Then I feel bad about not giving the businesses my money. It’s all such a head fuck isn’t it?

I'm not wearing a mask other than in healthcare premises, but it is stopping me from going to places and spending money. We have one place locally that's welcomed our smiling faces, and cafes it's pretty pointless to wear one in the two metres from the door to the table, but shops and the library I'm more reluctant to visit.

ISaySteadyOn · 03/08/2021 08:10

I had a dream last night that I was in Sainsbury's urgently trying to buy dairy free ice cream, no idea why it was urgent, and it felt odd. And in my dream, what was odd was that it was normal. Crowded and no masks.

I didn't find the dairy free ice cream before I woke up though .

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BogRollBOGOF · 03/08/2021 10:45

@ISaySteadyOn

I had a dream last night that I was in Sainsbury's urgently trying to buy dairy free ice cream, no idea why it was urgent, and it felt odd. And in my dream, what was odd was that it was normal. Crowded and no masks.

I didn't find the dairy free ice cream before I woke up though .

I think that's one reason why I don't like looking at masked faces at all. I don't want them appearing in my dreams as I can dream quite vividly. It's bad enough that they've been all over the media as well as real life with littlebescape at times.

I only see negative emotions on a masked face anyway, tired, sad or angry. (I suspect a lot of the early pandemic exhausted NHS narrative has a lot to do with that) Too much face is obscured to be able to read them properly. I concentrate a lot on mouth movements anyway because my auditory processing struggles to keep up. I look down as much as usual when around masks, or use my short-sighted eye to make things blurry if they're hard to avoid like the school playground has been.

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bluetongue · 03/08/2021 11:57

I find it hard to maintain eye contact pre masks (suspect I have ASD but not diagnosed). Now with masks I just find it excruciating.

So, so sick of people that say masks are a small sacrifice and they barely notice them

justasking111 · 03/08/2021 12:31

Last night I thought I should go into town and mooch. This morning I chickened out for two reasons

1 the mask issue

The sheer volume of tourists making parking difficult and their sheer rudeness to other

We have seen a different type of tourist this summer. Normally it's grannies and families. This year its the scrapping type, heavy drinkers, abusing staff. We haven't seen the great unwashed as we called them for decades.

OH said his friend who is 70 plus was threatened with a fist fight when he asked a child to put his litter in the bin. We're not geared up for them. We've had a murder at a local caravan site, another further away. Both holiday folks

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BogRollBOGOF · 03/08/2021 23:46

@justasking111

Last night I thought I should go into town and mooch. This morning I chickened out for two reasons

1 the mask issue

The sheer volume of tourists making parking difficult and their sheer rudeness to other

We have seen a different type of tourist this summer. Normally it's grannies and families. This year its the scrapping type, heavy drinkers, abusing staff. We haven't seen the great unwashed as we called them for decades.

OH said his friend who is 70 plus was threatened with a fist fight when he asked a child to put his litter in the bin. We're not geared up for them. We've had a murder at a local caravan site, another further away. Both holiday folks

Not what you want. That was the problem last summer before the pubs opened, not that people had the audacity to leave home and enjoy themselves, but the minority who don't know how to behave civilly and look after places turned up all over the place being dicks and leaving an aftermath of waste.

A certain notorious resevoir, famous for non-local hot chocolates has now had its beach semi-permanently fenced off because the dicks from the nearby rough town don't know how to behave civilly (or park their cars)
I suppose the usual holiday destinations are having a bit of a break from receiving the UK's knobheads, but it's a shock to all the new places being invaded.

My afternoon was rather pleasant. We've been to a desination that's normally full of quick-stop international coach parties, but it was just local families which is unusual for mid-summer. It was easy to pretend that we were somewhere like Heligan but without the crowds that Cornwall has at present!

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chocolatesweets · 04/08/2021 06:40

I don't know when we can go about without masks in Wales but I'll be scared to take it off incase I'm called selfish or inconsiderate of others.

Worldgonecrazy · 04/08/2021 10:38

@chocolatesweets I really doubt that will happen.

WrinklesShminkles · 04/08/2021 10:43

I've been maskless since 19th July and haven't had any aggravation. If you're worried, just don't meet anyone's eye! I really think that the more people see others without masks, the more likely that they'll give up on them themselves. So be a unmasked trailblazer!