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ADs don't want your freedom, ADs don't want to play around

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BogRollBOGOF · 15/07/2021 23:07

🎵 Every day I hear a different story
People sayin' that you’re no good for me
Saw your lover with another
And she’s making a fool of you, oh

🎵 If you love me baby, you'd deny it
But you laugh and tell me I should try it
Tell me I’m a baby, and I don't understand

Go Wham!

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chocolatesweets · 21/07/2021 07:35

I can't believe what I'm hearing regarding the vaccine, vaccinating children, covid passports etc. I hope people are just shy about opposing such ideas.

ISaySteadyOn · 21/07/2021 08:09

Me too.

WouldBeGood · 21/07/2021 09:09

I think they’ve done such a good job on the selfish granny killer mantra that it’s hard for people to speak out.

I also think this has all shown that there are a lot of unquestioning people who love being “kept safe”
And told what to do.

Worldgonecrazy · 21/07/2021 09:14

So many people still saying ‘my mask protects others’ whilst saying they are going to keep wearing a mask because they don’t want to catch covid. I did explain to my dad that as, outside of hospital and care homes, the biggest chain of transmission was inter family, if he really is wearing his mask to protect others he needs to wear it in the house, particularly at night when sleeping next to cev mum.Grin. More kindly, I am going to tell him if he is wearing a mask because he is scared of catching covid he needs to wear an FFP one

The news piece likening the situation to Stockholm syndrome is about right.

There is definitely an attempt to start ‘othering’ the non vaccinated.

The whole thing is sickening.

WouldBeGood · 21/07/2021 09:17

It is sickening. And seemingly never ending.

BIoodyStupidJohnson · 21/07/2021 09:40

It is really horrible, the othering thing particularly. It seems now that likening it to how people with HIV were treated in the 80s is virtually Godwin's Law but I see so many parallels. Obviously there are also differences but there are certainly similarities as regards how people get divided up to be pointed at and blamed for something.

There are also people opening saying that they would like to see a big rise in case numbers so that it makes the case for further lockdown stronger. So basically, what they're saying is they're wishing disease on larger numbers of people so that it fits their preferred statistical agenda. Nice!

Worldgonecrazy · 21/07/2021 09:53

I think the death rate is going to be of interest. The extreme weather will undoubtedly increase death figures considerably (and not just Covid deaths). Once the heatwave has passed those figures will fall back to normal levels. There is a lag between cases rising and deaths rising and I suspect that the average rates will actually start to fall in a couple of weeks once the heat wave has passed.

Of course it will be the vaccinated masked who will be patting themselves on the back for achieving this reduction through their behaviour rather than acknowledging the meteorological factors at play.

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BogRollBOGOF · 21/07/2021 10:00

It's no coincidence that my elderly relative ended up in hospital after a fall probably triggered by her low electrolytes during the previous wave of very warm weather.

Heat is a killer/ serious threat to the very frail... overlaps with Covid, and if they end up in hospital...
When you're at that stage of frailty, anything is pretty hazardous.

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blobby10 · 21/07/2021 10:00

Worldgonecrazy have you seen the headlines "Extreme weather kills 11"? No it didn't kill them - they drowned because they went swimming in dangerous places! They were accidents although it seems as though no one is allowed to die from an accident anymore - there always has to be A Reason Sad.

BIoodyStupidJohnson · 21/07/2021 10:03

This is Dodsworth's assertion isn't it -- she's of the view that the fear approach (and subsequently major restrictions on personal freedom) will be used next around climate stuff, to get people to change their behaviour. You can already see it in some of the posts here, the way media reports are written, XR's very deliberate use of language and so on.

NannyGythaOgg · 21/07/2021 10:16

@WouldBeGood

I think they’ve done such a good job on the selfish granny killer mantra that it’s hard for people to speak out.

I also think this has all shown that there are a lot of unquestioning people who love being “kept safe”
And told what to do.

Being 'kept safe' and 'doing as they're told' also equates to having no personal responsibility.

"Whatever bad happens I am not to blame and everyone who doesn't agree with me is"

ISaySteadyOn · 21/07/2021 11:06

When did having personal responsibility become such a bad thing?

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justasking111 · 21/07/2021 11:23

Successive governments have infantalised this nation. No sense of personal responsibility, the state designed hand holding financially, the NHS being abused, the human rights mess.

Sons best friend does not have a job this summer home from university with employers crying out for staff. He said he's bored, everyone else is busy. His mum and dad working flat out, his girlfriend working away his granny giving him extra money. I said well get a job at the pub a two minute walk from his house he thought that a good Idea. He's twenty why aren't his parents saying this. He's going into second year university he'll have a better time if he has a few bob to spend.

chocolatesweets · 21/07/2021 12:08

@justasking111 agree.

chocolatesweets · 21/07/2021 12:11

@justasking111 I think parents are afraid of being "harsh" with their kids. I think there's too much "hippy dippy" advice dished out to new parents about how it's borderline abusive if you don't attend to their every whimper. It's people pleasing, co-dependent behaviour.

Worldgonecrazy · 21/07/2021 12:25

I think there is certainly a big misunderstanding of what attachment parenting is. Definitely not hippy dippy and is about giving your child the confidence to go out into the world. Some parents seem to think it means indulging their child’s every whim and protecting them from the world

ISaySteadyOn · 21/07/2021 13:00

I think some books present it that way and, if you are a sleep deprived vulnerable new mum who is terrified of getting it wrong, these books can be as didactic as SWMNBN ever was.

So I agree with both of you, I guess Smile

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smallandimperfectlyformed · 21/07/2021 13:25

I just had a telephone call from a community service I use, they asked me if I was OK and I said yes, bored but self isolating due to youngest being a contact. The woman said she knew what that feels like as her daughter currently has it. I asked how she was and apparently she has lost her sense of smell and taste but she didn't mention anything else, so hopefully her daughter is fine. I was surprised when she said that her and her daughter are avoiding one another- they are both adults who live in the same house. I said to her that I thought she had already had it and would be quite protected, and she said she had it in October and is doubly vaccinated. Isn't it awful that as protected as she is she is still so scared? Obviously I am not fully aware of her medical history and have no right to know it but I would never have thought she was vulnerable so I am surprised how cautious she is being.

chocolatesweets · 21/07/2021 13:57

@Worldgonecrazy I agree with you

flower11 · 21/07/2021 15:56

Just catching up with you all.

My children broke up for the summer today, feeling relieved. Have managed this term with no isolating. Now we are avoiding close contact with people and anywhere indoors in the hope we get to go on our holiday in 9 days time.

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BogRollBOGOF · 21/07/2021 16:39

We've got one day to go...
I'll be glad to see the back of this school year. Not looking forwards to filling in 6 weeks though.
The continued lack of spontenaity is an issue, particularly as we have travel plans and there are so many opportunites for circumstances to cock up, so I don't want to rush on with booking in the face of uncertainty.
Last summer, this point with the farce of our attempts at home learning ending, thar was a relief. It was also a novelty to go to some attractions and got a few things in the small window before the mask mandate. Masks are still cramping the fun and options are still limited or more complex than usual.
One of the positives of DH WFH was that I could pop out more flexibly for a run. This year feels like the worse side of most of it.

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justasking111 · 21/07/2021 16:47

OH missed a call this morning private number. Firstly thought GP suddenly wondered if it could be track and trace I hope not because the only place hes been are hospitals. Are track and trace a private number? ?

BIoodyStupidJohnson · 21/07/2021 16:50

@justasking111

OH missed a call this morning private number. Firstly thought GP suddenly wondered if it could be track and trace I hope not because the only place hes been are hospitals. Are track and trace a private number? ?
They ring from an 0800 number here but I'm in Scotland so it might be different where you are.