What is ‘deprivation’

[0None0]

It’s such a common term. I have my own idea what it means, but would like to hear other ideas. A lot of people and situations described as ‘deprived’ I would not consider to be deprived

Not having access to education or nutritious food, not having adequate housing, over crowding/mould damp etc.

Page 14 onwards in this doc gives you the 7 domains of deprivation and the criteria for each one: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/464597/EnglishhIndicesoffDeprivation20155-ResearchhReport.pdf

The 7 domains are: income, employment, education, health, crime, housing and living environment. Sadly, where one type of deprivation exists, others follow. It's rare for there to be just one factor at play.

@Arsebucket

Not having access to education or nutritious food, not having adequate housing, over crowding/mould damp etc.

What do you mean by not having access to education? Everyone in the uk has access to education

You didn’t ask if people in the UK were deprived. You asked what it means.

No, not all children have access to education. Some are blocked by their families from attending school and are not home educated by them.

Some have to move so frequently that but the time they have a school place they are having to move again.

Some have parents who are abusive.

There are a lot of young carers who miss an awful lot of school time.

Access to education as a concept and accessing education in real terms, are very different. There are many, many facets which deprive individuals of this access.

What do you mean by not having access to education? Everyone in the uk has access to education

What about those who are kept off school as they dont have a coat shoes, money for cooking ingredients or period products ?

In theory every child is entitled to a school place. The reality of actually attending regularly is often very different for many and this can be due to a multitude of reasons. Deprivation is quite a complex issue.

@ShowOfHands

Access to education as a concept and accessing education in real terms, are very different. There are many, many facets which deprive individuals of this access.

Too true. This is not just about whether children attend school either. There are a lot of children in the UK who go to school but due to their home life are too tired/upset/anxious etc to properly engage. Sadly too many of these children are also excluded from school as they get older.

In regard to access to education I'd add that although everyone has access to it, it's not necessarily accessible. For example, although my parents believed education could be valuable, they couldn't imagine a world in which it was possible for people like them to unlock that potential. My dad couldn't read or write and my mum, although having good common sense, is academically challenged. When I went to school it was like being given the theory of how to build without having the tools and then being expected to be able to build. In my early 20s I went back to school and learnt that I'm actually pretty smart and have done well for myself since then. You need someone to really believe in you. Sometimes that person can be yourself but you need to learn that, too.

Apparently 0None0 is a teacher. That's concerning.

'Deprived' doesn't work as a stand alone word. It is short-hand for 'deprived of [something]'. In the UK, I would say it's usually 'deprived of full and equal access to opportunities'. Yes, all kids can technically go to school. But being deprived of the opportunity to have a good education is not only an issue for kids who aren't going to school due to parental decisions and poverty. We live in an area that used to be high up on the 'deprived neighbourhoods' lists and is still struggling in parts. For my kids this means that they are deprived of a calm and safe school environment. The school is actually haven for many of our kids, who tend to have much more stressful lives than kids on average. So they're also deprived of a relatively stress free and, if you will, innocent childhood. They will have to work much harder to be able to access higher education. Etc etc.

I like that 'deprived' implicitely states that our children our not given something they should have had. It implies there is somebody/something responsible, because giving obviously requires a giver (or in this place withholder).

Lots of aspects of deprivation become obstacles to accessing education.

Abuse at home, parents who grew up without access to education who struggle to support their own child's education, lack of resources to do homework or even just living in a deprived area with high unemployment and children feeling their is 'no point'.

I find MN to be largely insufferable about education because there are many well off people on these forums who have the money to live in areas within catchment for very good state schools. Where you can afford to live largely determines the education you receive.

Also disability, either parents or children. Many young carers find their education suffers and likewise children who struggle with their own disability.

There is an index of multiple economic deprivation.

The English Indices of Deprivation have been released for 2019, updating the data previously released in
2015.
Deprivation covers a broad range of issues and refers to unmet needs caused by a lack of resources of all
kinds, not solely financial. The English Indices of Deprivation attempt to measure a broad concept of
multiple deprivation, made up of several distinct dimensions, or domains, of deprivation.
England is split into 32,844 LSOA (Lower Super Output Areas), with the Borough of Warrington split
between 127 LSOAs. LSOAs are small areas designed to be of a similar population size, with an average
of approximately 1,500 residents or 650 households. LSOAs are a standard statistical geography
produced by the Office for National Statistics for the reporting of small area statistics.
The LSOAs areas are ranked in 7 domains based on 39 indicators, together with an overall rank for Index
of Multiple Deprivation (IMD). The domains and how much they contribute to the overall ranking are:
 Income (22.5%)
 Employment (22.5%)
 Education, Skills & Training (13.5%)
 Health & Disability (13.5%)
 Crime (9.3%)
 Barriers to Housing & Services (9.3%)
 Living Environment (9.3%)

Lack of anything that leads to a healthy, fulfilling and happy life really. Food, cleanliness, love, support, care, education, warmth, sanitary products etc. Anyone without the above is deprived.

@Orf1abc

Apparently 0None0 is a teacher. That's concerning.

I firmly believe this is why it took me until my 20s to get on. So many teachers just aim to teach the "good" kids from the "nice" families. The kids from my school that went on to become teachers were all naice middle class bullies.

Everything above but... I'd add in an absence of care or love as well, as well as zero stimulation at all.

What do you mean by not having access to education? Everyone in the uk has access to education

It's far more complex than you think.

@Orf1abc

Apparently 0None0 is a teacher. That's concerning.

It's not just concerning, it's depressing too, if it's true. Teachers who maybe the first port of call for help from deprived children not knowing what it is, and what's the reality is for those children in need.

What is your take on 'deprivation' please, OP?

Is it depressing, maybe she just wants more ideas of what other people think it is?

I think it's much more than being short of money.

It's being stuck in a spiral where no one you can turn to has any money and you don't have any reserves of resources. E.g. if I didn't work for a year it would be tough as hell, but my house is in decent condition and would be fine if nothing was done, we have clothes and shoes that would see us through, things we could sell if needed etc and if absolutely necessary my parents wouldn't see us destitute.

I think it's under estimated how much a stable upbringing and continued support from parents is worth, even if it's "only" moral support.

Alongside this kind of ongoing poverty comes all the social problems people who've never lived it tend to blame on the deprived. Gambling, smoking, drink and drugs, gangs. And exhaustion, from just getting through a day when you don't know if your children are safe or housed, which makes all the "easy" things to could do to improve things for yourself impossible.

And, living somewhere where all of this is normal. Everyone you know lives like this too.

@Oldraver

What do you mean by not having access to education? Everyone in the uk has access to education

What about those who are kept off school as they dont have a coat shoes, money for cooking ingredients or period products ?

Schools be provide all these things

@ValerieMalone

You didn’t ask if people in the UK were deprived. You asked what it means.

Sorry I talking specifically about the UK. I am well aware of what deprecation looks like in other parts of the world