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Do you know anyone personally who belongs to a Far Right group?

136 replies

FortunesFave · 08/07/2021 09:21

I was just thinking about far right extremists because of something I saw on Youtube and then thought about how I've never and would probably never meet one of these people because of my line of work (the arts) then I began thinking about people who might be like that but hide it...

Does anyone know any? Are they open about their ideals? I promise I am not a journo. Just interested.

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suspiria777 · 08/07/2021 10:55

@Rockto

What is far right ? What is racism ? The defintion seems to be getting wider and more all - encompassing. According to some, I am a far right racist. These are the things that make me a far right racist: 1) I don't want anyone getting their cock out around me and my family. 2) I can read music ( this is a function of white supremacy). 3) I try my best to be punctual ( punctuality is another function of white supremacy ). 4) I think that maths should be taught to kids in a way that helps them get the correct answer ( again , white supremacy ). So , there you go, I'm a bigot.
what the fuck are you talking about?
MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 08/07/2021 10:56

I think the point posters were making with antifa and TRA is that they are convinced they are left wing and 'good' but they are so intolerant of anyone who doesn't agree completely with them that they have become as extreme as the far right and there's nothing between them in terms of behaviour

Spaceprincess · 08/07/2021 10:56

I manage an NHS team, a few years ago I had to tell someone to stop sharing BNP/Britain First stuff on FB as she said where she worked on her profile.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 08/07/2021 10:58

@suspiria777 i think poster was pointing out some of the ridiculous claims like that French food is expression of white privilege/white supermacy.

I wonder what sauerkraut would be😂

dreamingbohemian · 08/07/2021 10:59

I have a colleague who is extremely kind, generous and intelligent, yet also believes Europe is being invaded by foreigners and Islam and this will eventually lead to its collapse and a century of war. It's really depressing.

EileenGC · 08/07/2021 11:00

I actually work in the arts and have a couple of far-right colleagues. I don't think they belong to a party or organization as such, but their beliefs are quite extremist. I have also met some at my very conservative church, where surprisingly and thankfully they are not the norm. When you interact with a huge number of people from a variety of backgrounds and cultures, it's bound to happen that you meet some with opposite views.

markmichelle · 08/07/2021 11:01

@Rockto

What is far right ? What is racism ? The defintion seems to be getting wider and more all - encompassing. According to some, I am a far right racist. These are the things that make me a far right racist: 1) I don't want anyone getting their cock out around me and my family. 2) I can read music ( this is a function of white supremacy). 3) I try my best to be punctual ( punctuality is another function of white supremacy ). 4) I think that maths should be taught to kids in a way that helps them get the correct answer ( again , white supremacy ). So , there you go, I'm a bigot.
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CMeredithC · 08/07/2021 11:04

2) I can read music ( this is a function of white supremacy).
3) I try my best to be punctual ( punctuality is another function of white supremacy ).

Please explain the presence of Indian and Korean players in the professional orchestra I work for then.

Whilst you're at it, enlighten us as to why my African colleagues are perfectly capable of showing up to work on time, same as everyone else in my company, because they're not white.

Honestly, I don't understand how these views still exist today...

mindutopia · 08/07/2021 11:04

Only in the most distant sense, people I knew from school and some distant family members.

I actively choose to not have people with those values in my life so generally have gotten rid of anyone with those viewpoints. Doesn’t stop them occasionally popping up on social media ranting about something they saw on YouTube with no factual basis as still have some friends who keep in touch with them, mostly just for tormenting them with arguments that make them just twist themselves in knots and get confused about what Joe on YouTube told them they were supposed to believe. Hmm

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 08/07/2021 11:06

I agree with Wbeezer and Biscuitsneeded

'Liberal fascism' is a very real thing. The sort who will claim that they are 'tolerant of everything but intolerance' and will use the word 'bigot' as an instant gotcha whenever somebody has very different views from them.

As has been said, this is a massive issue with the TRAs, where people firmly set out their stall in support of one minority/oppressed group and then, sometimes almost by default, end up throwing another one under the bus. Then, people who support the latter group are automatically considered to hate those in the former group, which is usually not the case at all. Of course, this ends up with the one group considering themselves 'true inclusive feminists' and the other group as 'intolerant radical so-called-feminists'. It doesn't help when one group's reasonable requests are drowned out by the screamed demands (and, ironically, threats of violence and sanctions) of the other.

Yes, any kind of extremism is a problem - and I think it might actually be more helpful to see extremism vs TRUE tolerance (balanced with respect and responsibility) as two opposite sides of a circle rather than two ends of a linear spectrum, thus the furthest left and the furthest right effectively meet at the same point, just like a political version of the Diomede Islands.

I also agree re UKIP and Brexit that, just because a lot of outright racists and haters were attracted to them (and the main big parties are also far from immune from this), there are/were a great many people who genuinely, peacefully wanted to take back what they saw as the right to self-rule.

Without wanting to derail the thread, I think many in principle felt the same about Europe swallowing up and ignoring the UK's best interests as many Scots do if you swap 'Europe' for 'rUK/England/London' and 'UK' for 'Scotland'. Do Scottish people hate the English? A very tiny minority do (and the reverse is also true), but the vast, vast majority campaigning to break away simply want to be independent neighbours on an equal footing, who get on well but want to be in charge of making their own decisions.

DismantledKing · 08/07/2021 11:07

The thing with UKIP is that they’ve changed. Much as a I loathe Farage, his version of UKIP was populist but I wouldn’t have classified it as ‘far right’. Since he left, however, there’s been quite a change. Their ‘revolving door’ procession of leaders have clearly pitched to the far-right in order to retain some relevancy and to make a grasp of the nativist pie; the fact that they’re now polling less than 1% shows that they’re now a tiny and nasty group more aligned with Britain First rather than dissatisfied Tories.

Youdiditanyway · 08/07/2021 11:08

My Mum’s former partner was. He used to beat and emotionally abuse me growing up. He was also in prison before he met my Mum for ABH. Really nice guy, total racist and homophobe and always voted BNP. He died suddenly last year and his parents (equally horrible and racist) were in the local newspaper a couple of days ago saying how amazing he was and how everyone loved him. He was an abusive, racist bellend.

Nightwing · 08/07/2021 11:09

I saw a leaked list of members of a far right group some years ago. I wasn’t the slightest but surprised to see one of my neighbours on there - they really fit the stereotype of how I would expect far right members to look like.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 08/07/2021 11:10

Honestly, I don't understand how these views still exist today...

They not only still exist, they make news, bit not as you think. i assume some of what pp referenced is from the articles about Smithsonian and their whitness chart last year

Watchingyou2sleezes · 08/07/2021 11:10

@CMeredithC

2) I can read music ( this is a function of white supremacy). 3) I try my best to be punctual ( punctuality is another function of white supremacy ).

Please explain the presence of Indian and Korean players in the professional orchestra I work for then.

Whilst you're at it, enlighten us as to why my African colleagues are perfectly capable of showing up to work on time, same as everyone else in my company, because they're not white.

Honestly, I don't understand how these views still exist today...

The point they were making clearly went way over your head...
Duckypoohs · 08/07/2021 11:13

I found out en ex once voted for the BNP Hmm which is odd because he was very into Jeremy corbyn when I knew him. In hindsight I think he might have been racist, but was at least bright enough never spout off about anything like that, strange person.

One of my sisters is very racist, and quite frankly an idiot, I don't see her.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 08/07/2021 11:14

Yes, two, one was someone I went to school with who believed that white people are naturally superior to black people

This was a disgustingly common assumption (not even a view that they felt any need to justify) among people from recent centuries who are lionised today, including Winston Churchill (the man voted as the Greatest Briton ever) and Charles Darwin. In fact, Darwin had similar assumptions about the superiority of men over women, to throw into the mix.

Kitfish · 08/07/2021 11:18

I used to know someone. We were mums of children at the same school and initially friends - but I dropped her because I found her views so abhorrent and couldn't listen anymore.

Hagqueen · 08/07/2021 11:20

I know a relative of a prominant far right activist.

They are not anything like their relative, they are not white, not straight and vocally anti-facist.

C130 · 08/07/2021 11:24

@CMeredithC

2) I can read music ( this is a function of white supremacy). 3) I try my best to be punctual ( punctuality is another function of white supremacy ).

Please explain the presence of Indian and Korean players in the professional orchestra I work for then.

Whilst you're at it, enlighten us as to why my African colleagues are perfectly capable of showing up to work on time, same as everyone else in my company, because they're not white.

Honestly, I don't understand how these views still exist today...

Also all of the Chineke! orchestra classical musicians as well. Europe's first majority black and ethnically diverse orchestra. I am quite sure that they can read music too.

Sadly there are people who hold these views still, regarding time keeping and so on.

Fuckitfuckit · 08/07/2021 11:29

Sadly my whole family have very positive views of UKIP and the EDL.
I grew up hearing all about BNP and it being the "only chance a white person has.

All thick as mince, none of them have a GCSE between them, but all of their opportunities are being stolen by the "foreigners" over the past 15 years, its been less about anyone who isn't white and British, but more about an anti Muslim agenda.

It sickens me to the fucking core, and is a massive part of why I have nothing to do with them.

For the most part, the people who think that way live very secluded lives, with no opportunities (because opportunity just isn't thrust upon them!) and instead of addressing the issues that make their lives so shit, they just want to blame someone.

C130 · 08/07/2021 11:30

Some people are not even aware that they have absorbed and believe racist tropes.

pointythings · 08/07/2021 11:30

I know one - used to be a card carrying BNP member and no reason to suppose he has changed his views. He's related to one of my cousins by marriage (she is a Boris cheerleading Tory, we disagree about politics but love each other) and is a very unpleasant individual. He won't speak to me because I'm foreign.

SocialAffairsAndWoodlandFolk · 08/07/2021 11:30

My uncle's wife joined the EDL when it first started. Our family are Irish immigrants, she was born in Ireland. She was quite surprised to find out that some of the members didn't think any more of the Irish than they did the Polish or Pakistanis. Apparently, she didn't think that we "really counted" as immigrants.

Insertfunnyname · 08/07/2021 11:32

More worryingly one of the TAs from my sons school was a paid up member. School knew and she doesn’t work there any more. She was also thick as shit, and v common in my opinion.

Wow I am absolutely horrified that anyone would think being a paid up member of a legal political party (regardless of your views) would be a reason to sack someone. Also your description of her as thick as shit and common says more about you than her.

The squashing of free speech is utterly terrifying these days. Only approved opinions can be voiced...