@Shapesorted I just don’t think a bad puppy experience can compare to a bad newborn experience, sorry. As you said, you haven’t had a bad newborn experience. I’ve had dogs all my life with all sorts of situations. I’m not saying a baby is always harder, clearly lots of people have had easy babies, I’m just saying that an unwell puppy, or god forbid a puppy that dies, whilst heart breaking, is not the same as an un well baby. My baby nearly died and had meningitis, as well as what I’ve already mentioned. Now I’m a dog person through and through, love my dogs to bits, but I’m sorry, a puppy with epilepsy cannot compare to a baby with meningitis