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Anyone else just had relentlessnessly crap customer service recently?

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OrangeSharked · 19/06/2021 17:43

Bit of a rant really but prior to covid I would say I rarely had a reason to contact customer services. But recently I've just had problem after problem after problem with things, normally parcels. When I try to talk to customer services all you get are platitudes, its often impossible to actually get someone to look into or sort out an issue. I'm just sick of being patronised or brushed off by customer services.

Anyone else finding that customer service from companies just gets worse and worse? I understand these are big companies that don't really give a shit about their customers, but still. I miss the days when you could call a companies customer services and get anything other than a 'sorry about this, unfortunately there's nothing we can do!' Grin

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AnoDeLosMuertos · 20/06/2021 09:02

It if you’re in customer services you are being PAID to sort out problems, whatever they are!

cupsofcoffee · 20/06/2021 09:06

@AnoDeLosMuertos

It if you’re in customer services you are being PAID to sort out problems, whatever they are!
Yes, but often the money is an absolute pittance and so not worth it for the abuse you get off customers.

I was once a supervisor in retail - I was often left to run the shop alone for weeks when management were on annual leave and do you know what I got paid? An extra 5p per hour above the normal sales assistant wage for all that added responsibility.

I got sworn at, told to tuck off, threatened and had customers physically punching the tills etc - it was awful.

Most customer service employees are just following the management rules - if they can't help you it's often because they're not allowed to help you.

cupsofcoffee · 20/06/2021 09:07

I'll also add that a lot of companies will pull employees up if they process too many refunds - staff can genuinely get into trouble if they put too many through the till in one day.

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Theunamedcat · 20/06/2021 09:10

I do feel sorry for supermarket staff we have one in our local asda who is terrified a customer took a step towards her saying excuse me (still two meters apart) she started shouting social distancing SOCIAL DISTANCING and running backwards customer stops quite bemused at the response staff member almost hits another customer by running backwards freaks out again ends up crying behind a counter while most the shop is looking at her meanwhile another customer helps the original customer find what they need the staff member was clearly struggling but was put in an area where she would be forced into interactions with the public and she clearly couldn't cope

So while covid shouldn't be an excuse management definitely is

LemonRoses · 20/06/2021 09:11

I was in a hotel for work last week. Service was beyond dreadful. Actually, the whole experience was appalling with the place feeling like the Marie Celeste. .
They didn’t have adequate staffing and clearly there was a Brexit effect. The few staff they had were either run ragged or entirely disaffected.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/06/2021 09:13

On the other hand my "cos covid" customer service was great. Bought a carpet cleaner, the hose extension didn't work. Called, left a message, 2 minutes later got a call back.

Because if covid they were working at home, so she had her headset on whilst she was cooking her kids tea and apologised for the delay.

Also because of covid the collection could only be made from and back to my house. It was collected the following day.

It was returned 3 days later, working, with a "sorry for the inconvenience" note.

Not sure you can get any better than that smile 😉

TheYearOfSmallThings · 20/06/2021 09:17

Yes, although it's not universal. I think a certain cohort of staff have used Covid to drop the facade and be openly resentful of customers/service users.

M0nkeybars · 20/06/2021 09:32

Yep - the working from hone cos pandemic excuse wore thin a long time ago. Lots of ppl working from home and technology makes it almost seamless.

cupsofcoffee · 20/06/2021 09:33

So while covid shouldn't be an excuse management definitely is

Management can only work within the rules though and there are very few supermarket jobs that mean you're guaranteed to never on the shop floor.

OrangeSharked · 20/06/2021 09:35

@ChiefInspectorParker with all due respect that is your job. Not wanting to book on online or with PayPal are perfectly valid, particularly for many of the older generation

As you say the majority of your customers are polite. So I'm not sure why because a couple of customers aren't that means you can't provide customer service for genuine problems?

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OrangeSharked · 20/06/2021 09:39

As I said @cupsofcoffee I'm assuming its not the individuals fault but more the companies preventing good customer service. Although a couple of posters on here are making me doubt this tbh

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UltimateIrritant · 20/06/2021 09:48

I worked in local government 'customer services' for a while. We could never get to the bottom of more complex problems for people as your performance was judged on how many calls you took and length iof calls. All you could do really was direct their complaint to the online forms, which for a lot of people was not easy. If they were unable to use online methods you had to direct them to ask their neighbours for help!
I enjoy helping people sort their problems out and it was bloody frustrating. People and their problems don't fit in boxes!

cupsofcoffee · 20/06/2021 09:51

@OrangeSharked

As I said *@cupsofcoffee* I'm assuming its not the individuals fault but more the companies preventing good customer service. Although a couple of posters on here are making me doubt this tbh
I think if you work in a shit environment with managers who don't care, you're not likely to care yourself.

Working in a negative environment is really draining and when you only get minimum wage and practically no training, there's really not much incentive to give a shit, frankly lol.

LushHeaven · 20/06/2021 10:01

Yep - M&S. I swear the ladies who work behind the clothes' tills in mine just enjoy making you feel like you have done something wrong by returning an item.
However, some great customer service from Asda lately. My dd bought a toy with her pocket money a few months ago. She had only used it a few times but it stopped working when she got it out this week. I don't have a receipt, and paid cash so no record of purchase, but sent then an email explaining and within 12 hours they sent an apology and e-gift card for full amount of toy.

Arbadacarba · 20/06/2021 10:11

Great post, @Iquitit .

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BingBangBong1 · 20/06/2021 10:39

I actually said exactly this to DH last weekend.

We went out to eat, first time we have in ages due to the restrictions and we were a little nervy to but are now well and truly vaccinated so felt good to go.

Got there, signed in, sat at a table. Order taken by the most miserable server ever.
Food came out, dumped on table, no "enjoy your meal".
Realised a number of things missing from DHs meal. Also we realised no condiments on the table as they were supposed to bring them out due to sanitising stuff in-between customers.

Called a different server over. Now they were not busy, there was us two, a woman on her own and 2 men.
He comes over, we explain loads of DHs meal is wrong or missing, can they sort it please.
Server gets right pissy at us saying he didn't serve us so no. Then off he fucks.
Our server then comes out, we ask her, she says she is on her break so no.

That was when we walked out. She sees us do so, and starts screeching at us that we've not paid. I responded, "well we've not eaten either as neither of you two could bother getting the order right, so nothing to pay for". She then shouts that we are banned. Good thing too!

Amazon delivery drivers are bloody bad as well. Have had so many say item was handed to me yet it wasn't and I wasn't in- 4 Christmas gifts went missing that way and it became a real issue in our town as the drivers were dumping on doorsteps and items were being pinched. Some of us even started to wonder with the volume of stuff pinched this way, whether the driver was ever actually leaving it at all.
Amazon just weren't fussed. I remember when if you called or emailed they would give you a month off of prime subs or a free voucher. Now you get a bored person say nothing they can do so you want a replacement or refund.

I guess some people just aren't back on service mindset.

BirdsandBeesmakinghay · 20/06/2021 10:53

@Theunamedcat

I do feel sorry for supermarket staff we have one in our local asda who is terrified a customer took a step towards her saying excuse me (still two meters apart) she started shouting social distancing SOCIAL DISTANCING and running backwards customer stops quite bemused at the response staff member almost hits another customer by running backwards freaks out again ends up crying behind a counter while most the shop is looking at her meanwhile another customer helps the original customer find what they need the staff member was clearly struggling but was put in an area where she would be forced into interactions with the public and she clearly couldn't cope

So while covid shouldn't be an excuse management definitely is

Yes. I had a very similar experience in John Lewis. The member of staff looked absolutely terrified and literally ran away from us. Both of us wearing masks and two metres apart. They shouldn’t be working in a shop if they feel like this.
Titsywoo · 20/06/2021 11:27

Speaking as a person doing customer service everyday for my own online retail business the amount of people taking the piss is unreal. Everyone is so used to free delivery from places like Amazon that a few get angry we won't offer it - well being a small business that ships all over the world and most of the parcels are large and very heavy we would make no profit if we did! Pne customer this week returned some items saying they didn't work and could we send replacements. When we got his return we tested them and low and behold they were fine. Their response when we told them was oh ok well I'll take them back if you cover the postage cost oh and also can you add in all these items (which take it to being two boxes so a much higher cost). People can be very entitled and what do you say to them while remaining professional! I personally pride myself on a high level of customer service but as a small business I have to. Larger ones get away with poor service if they are already well known.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 20/06/2021 17:40

@mybrainhertz

So, because some customers are rude and horrible, we all have to just accept bad customer service? There's no way of differentiating polite customers from rude ones?

I receive decent service online with polite messages, updates and even free gifts, so I'll stick with shopping online then.

This. I'm never rude. I expect to be treated the same way in return. Not an unreasonable expectation.
Iquitit · 20/06/2021 20:27

@Arbadacarba

Thanks, companies that are offering poor customer service are onto a good thing really, the money saving policies they create, like not having enough staff, skimping on training, not having older and more experienced staff to guide and train the younger and new staff (because the younger ones are cheaper) having systems where staff are punished for not meeting targets of upsales or for not dishing out a spiel to every customer, or signing them up for this and that, for sidestepping a policy because it's common sense, leads to pissed off customers who then take it out on the same staff, while the money still rolls in but their staff get more and more demoralised.

I was in hospitality a fair few years, and over EOTHO and last summer. It really did affect my mental health to the point I was utterly miserable, to be shouted at, called useless, an idiot etc every. Single. Day. When I could do nothing about the systems implemented and the covid rules. I had to stop caring or it would have destroyed me. I'm not going through that, for a little above minimum wage, for the purpose of other people being able to have a good time, it's just not worth it. So I left, because my hands were tied, there was nothing I could do to make customers happy, upper management weren't listening when we needed more staff and to change systems to improve efficiency, and just demanded more of staff already giving everything, people seemed to think I was the one responsible for covid restrictions because I was the one in front of them - I didn't like them any more than the customers, but it didn't matter if I didn't because they still had to be followed. I was lucky, I had skills and experience in an industry that needed staff, many don't and are trapped in those jobs because to leave means they'll get nothing - and companies use this to abuse their staff and allow their customers to.

I honestly think with covid the tide is turning and the staff are less willing to have things that are out of their hands blamed on them, while being paid the lowest amount you can legally get away with and treated like crap, and so the shit end of the stick is now being handed over to the customer, because the companies aren't listening and honestly, people don't care anymore. And with a combination of Brexit and behaviour, hospitality at least is struggling to recruit.

Why should they when they are being paid a pittance, can't afford to be ill, get zero hours contracts so they bear the brunt of a drop in trade, have their employers introduce systems and policies that prevents them from using common sense or thinking for themselves and customers who expect a 100% perfection, 100% of the time because we've been led in a direction that if you don't get that, you're owed something and it can never be a simple mistake that any human might make, it has to be because they're thick, or idiots or a jobsworth.

There's a saying or quote, I don't remember who by, that says 'you don't need to look after your customers, if you look after your staff, they will look after your customers.'
And it's true because the times I've felt the happiest, most motivated and truly really wanted to help people and make sure they had good experience was when I was treated with a bit of respect by my employer, treated fairly and backed up instead of thrown under the bus when a customer was being unreasonable.
We've come to a point where anyone who's in a service position, is by and large treated with contempt and threatened and sanctioned into accepting it. Customer service is not going to improve until that does.

SecondCityShark · 21/06/2021 09:43

I often feel in my local tesco that I'm interrupting a staff social. Really annoying when two employees stand together on an aisle with their big restocking trolleys blocking the way.

Happens all the time.

DinosaurFineosaur · 21/06/2021 10:00

I was in M&S Foodhall at the weekend. Had 8 items to purchase. Almost all tills have now been replaced by self-service, which was fine for this relatively small purchase. The last item to scan was a pack of sandwiches and I realised that the packaging was completely open along one side. There was a chap standing about a metre away from me (An M&S staff member, not just a random bloke) so I caught his attention and pointed it out. Quick as a flash, he leaned over and voided my entire transaction, telling me, "it's no problem at all, you can just go and get another and then come back to pay again", while waving me away. One of his colleagues had already whisked away the baskets from the checkouts, so I ended up going back onto the shop floor with hands and arms full and then having to stand in the massive queue to pay, for a second time.

I know it's a first world problem but I'm sure staff used to go and get a replacement item in these situations, or, at the very least would layaway the rest of the purchases while I ran to get the replacement. He seemed utterly bemused by the fact that I had even alerted him to this.

HeronLanyon · 21/06/2021 10:06

I’ve had mixed experience.
Recent bereavement meant I was in touch with a bewildering range of utilities/banks etc. Without exception all great - ‘bereavement departments’ usually. Plus estate agent and conveyancing solicitor used.
Not great - my probate solicitor BUT they are overwhelmed with ‘unplanned’ estates at the moment.
Absolutely awful -
Apple support - totally contradictory advice. Problem not solved. Have kind of given up - again.
SSE - electricity small stupid problem rumbling in for years. No resolution in sight. Outsourced customer service absolutely awful. Many calls. Blood pressure has suffered.
Support all.
I spend (or spent) quite a bit of time in the USA and without exception found customer service unbelievably good - wanted to help, saw role as being to help, did help, where couldn’t phoned back when said and did everything to help etc. Really good. Really refreshing.

BirdsandBeesmakinghay · 21/06/2021 11:17

[quote Iquitit]@Arbadacarba

Thanks, companies that are offering poor customer service are onto a good thing really, the money saving policies they create, like not having enough staff, skimping on training, not having older and more experienced staff to guide and train the younger and new staff (because the younger ones are cheaper) having systems where staff are punished for not meeting targets of upsales or for not dishing out a spiel to every customer, or signing them up for this and that, for sidestepping a policy because it's common sense, leads to pissed off customers who then take it out on the same staff, while the money still rolls in but their staff get more and more demoralised.

I was in hospitality a fair few years, and over EOTHO and last summer. It really did affect my mental health to the point I was utterly miserable, to be shouted at, called useless, an idiot etc every. Single. Day. When I could do nothing about the systems implemented and the covid rules. I had to stop caring or it would have destroyed me. I'm not going through that, for a little above minimum wage, for the purpose of other people being able to have a good time, it's just not worth it. So I left, because my hands were tied, there was nothing I could do to make customers happy, upper management weren't listening when we needed more staff and to change systems to improve efficiency, and just demanded more of staff already giving everything, people seemed to think I was the one responsible for covid restrictions because I was the one in front of them - I didn't like them any more than the customers, but it didn't matter if I didn't because they still had to be followed. I was lucky, I had skills and experience in an industry that needed staff, many don't and are trapped in those jobs because to leave means they'll get nothing - and companies use this to abuse their staff and allow their customers to.

I honestly think with covid the tide is turning and the staff are less willing to have things that are out of their hands blamed on them, while being paid the lowest amount you can legally get away with and treated like crap, and so the shit end of the stick is now being handed over to the customer, because the companies aren't listening and honestly, people don't care anymore. And with a combination of Brexit and behaviour, hospitality at least is struggling to recruit.

Why should they when they are being paid a pittance, can't afford to be ill, get zero hours contracts so they bear the brunt of a drop in trade, have their employers introduce systems and policies that prevents them from using common sense or thinking for themselves and customers who expect a 100% perfection, 100% of the time because we've been led in a direction that if you don't get that, you're owed something and it can never be a simple mistake that any human might make, it has to be because they're thick, or idiots or a jobsworth.

There's a saying or quote, I don't remember who by, that says 'you don't need to look after your customers, if you look after your staff, they will look after your customers.'
And it's true because the times I've felt the happiest, most motivated and truly really wanted to help people and make sure they had good experience was when I was treated with a bit of respect by my employer, treated fairly and backed up instead of thrown under the bus when a customer was being unreasonable.
We've come to a point where anyone who's in a service position, is by and large treated with contempt and threatened and sanctioned into accepting it. Customer service is not going to improve until that does.[/quote]
So true. These companies need to be named and shamed as well.

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