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Is an apology asking too much?

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ImaHogg · 08/06/2021 14:01

My 13 year old dd has had some issues on the school bus. Some lads from our village have thrown water over her and thrown things at her whilst she is travelling home.
She didn’t want me to say anything to the school as she was scared but the second time she came home with soaking wet hair I said enough was enough and reported it to the year head, she promised me something would be done about it but obviously not because the Friday before half term my dd came home in pieces. She had been travelling on the bus, minding her own business when a lad in her year came from behind her and rubbed an insole over her face, a few seconds later he came back and did the same thing with a sandwich, dropped it on the floor, picked it up and rubbed it over her face again. At the same time someone threw a yogurt over her. All the time the others, probably around 10+ of them and from years 8-11 were all laughing and jeering at her (most were male). She was in such a mess and very distraught.
As you can imagine I was furious. She didn’t want me to do anything about it but I phoned the head, who had left for the half term already (it was 3.30!) The year head had also left but I sent an email, she got back to say she would pass it onto the deputy head and he would deal with it after half term.
I have just heard from him. They have taken statements from various pupils from the bus and as a result they have narrowed it down to 4 pupils from years 8-10.
I asked what sanctions have been given, he said firstly a ban from the bus, I asked how long but he said he wouldn’t tell me as that wasn’t information I needed to know about! (ds in year 10 has found out it’s just a week) I will have to take my dd to school and back for 2 weeks until I can get her on another bus as she is afraid to get back on the original one. Personally, I would have liked longer than a week as punishment. The main perpetrator also has to take a behaviour course and the others have just been given a telling off.
I said I would like the one who physically assaulted dd to apologise to her, I was told that this wouldn’t be happening because they can not make a student apologise to another!!
However the school chooses to view it these boys assaulted my child, she is now too scared to get back on the bus, all these boys come from our village and she is more than likely to come across them when she goes out. Several already walked past her yesterday at school and whispered ‘snitch’.
Is it too much to ask for an apology?
If either of my D.C. had done this I would be frogmarching them to the victims house and make them say sorry to their face or a letter at the very least. But it looks like this won’t be happening with this boy, the parents know who we are and where we live. If I were them I would be so deeply ashamed at the young man I was raising.

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Cookies2523 · 09/06/2021 15:42

Good luck.

m00rfarm · 09/06/2021 16:07

Similar happened to my DS - the school were trying to blame him 50% even though teachers had seen him be assaulted - I told them that it had happened too many times and I was going to report to the police. Suddenly there were exclusions, detentions and new school policies. It was a well known grammar school and they knew I was also intending to go to the local newspapers with it. My DS finally agreed that I could go ahead if necessary - before that he thought he could handle it but eventually decided it had to stop.

SpeedwellBlue · 09/06/2021 20:25

Absolutely appalling. Your poor dd. No you are not overreacting at all. The school are being really weak about it. My dcs' school would react really strongly to that and it makes the school a safer happier place.

raspberryjamlove · 09/06/2021 20:32

Absolutely awful, your poor dd and I can only imagine the stress you must feel with it. Kids can be so bloody horrible :(

Bluntness100 · 09/06/2021 20:35

@ImaHogg

I’ve just reported it to the police. I will see what they say/suggest.
Good for you and I don’t know how to say this politely but I don’t know what’s wrong with your family, turning a blind eye to bullying. Seriously that’s shit.
BackBeatTheWordisOnTheStreet · 09/06/2021 20:43

You're not blowing it out of proportion. If I was repeatedly subject to this on a public bus you can bet I would report to the police. Why should a teenager not have the same level of protection we'd expect as adults.

Motnight · 09/06/2021 21:12

Good luck, Op. You contacting the police really shows your dd that she has the right to be treated well and with respect.

Cherrysoup · 09/06/2021 22:16

A friend is a bus driver and got a member of staff to sit in when there was trouble on the bus. Obviously all issues stopped. I’d be demanding that from the school.

Bbub · 09/06/2021 23:52

Good luck OP you're definitely not over reacting. Who's knows what's with your DH and friend, maybe they totally lack empathy 🤷‍♀️ but you've shown your DD that you have her back and are going to try your best to sort this out.

I got bullied on the bus and never told anyone, I am so ashamed to this day. I'm so glad your DD told you and that you're handling it.

PolkadotFlamingos · 10/06/2021 00:51

@Deadleaf29

I’d have involved the police- that’s not just a school issue, it’s repeated physical assault.

I’d also make an official complaint, following your school complaint procedure. I’d have expected a permanent/at least the rest of term ban from the bus - my school banned for an awful lot less.

This. If the school will not deal with it appropriately and exclude the male pupils that have assaulted a female pupil - on a school bus while in their care!!! - then the school needs reporting to Ofsted and the police for failures in basic safeguarding.
PolkadotFlamingos · 10/06/2021 00:53

@Mydarlingmyhamburger

This definitely needs reporting op. I had similar happen to my dd last year, same age. It was a public bus so I went on with her, sat a few seats away like I didn’t know her and I filmed what the little gobshites were doing. I caught them calling my dd a cunt, looking round at her and drawing their fingers across their throats and one tried to trip her up when she got off. I took the footage to the school and the police. The police took footage from the bus company as evidence and the bus company permanently excluded the boys from the bus themselves. I also plastered the footage all across social media which left the parents absolutely mortified, this stopped any comments being made to my daughter when my posts got shared and got hundreds of comments from people supporting her.
Well done. This is what needs to happen every single time until young boys who clearly aren't being taught respect for girls by their parents get the message that it will not be tolerated.
PolkadotFlamingos · 10/06/2021 00:54

@ImaHogg

I’ve just reported it to the police. I will see what they say/suggest.
So pleased you did this. What they did was disgusting and you're showing your daughter that it us unacceptable. Well done.
LoudestCat14 · 11/06/2021 07:49

I'm really glad you've reported it to the police. I've just re-read your OP and I'm still staggered the school don't seem to be taking it particularly seriously. A boy rubbed a sandwich in her face after rubbing it on the floor and that doesn't constitute more than a detention?

billy1966 · 11/06/2021 08:38

I am also glad you reported it to the police.

Your poor daughter being repeatedly assaulted.

What a waste of space your husband is not caring.

A decent father would be absolutely furious at their innocent child being subjected to such assaults.

I would also tell the police that you intend to put it up on FB noting the schools, the bus companies and the police response.

People need to be aware of these things.

I really hope the police give it the serious attention it deserves.

The school is a disgrace and needs to be shamed.

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 11/06/2021 08:47

Good, you’ve provided the school every opportunity to deal with this in house, and they haven’t

bonfireheart · 11/06/2021 12:51

This is disgusting. I find myself quite often saying to DD school "if this happened to you how would you feel as an adult?" As an adult this would be reported to the police and they'd be at the perpetrators house. It should be no different for a child. You've told the school. They've failed to act appropriately. I would now take them out of the loop and go to the police. The police can also get hold of the cctv probably quicker and easier. I am so angry on your behalf OP.

bonfireheart · 11/06/2021 12:52

However OP avoid anything on social media for now in case the police decide to take it further you don't want to compromise anything.

gospelsinger · 11/06/2021 13:01

An apology will get you nowhere and will not solve or help anything. There is no point in persuing this, as even if they do apologise, it will be meaningless. I would be pushing for a longer ban (rest of term), as why should your dd have to be scared to go on bus. Why should you have to be looking for alternative transport. It should be the boys' parents who have to do that.

ImaHogg · 11/06/2021 15:47

The police are going to contact the school and keep me informed.
I have emailed the deputy head twice this week stating that I am very disappointed with the sanctions given to these boys in particular the one who actually assaulted dd. He hasn’t even bothered to reply and it’s now the end of the week! I’m sure he is hoping I’m just going to let it go and I’m over reacting. That’s how they make me feel.
I also emailed the bus company asking what had happened to the cctv, they emailed me today saying there was no cctv of the incident so god only knows what happened there.
I am so pissed off they are not taking it seriously and to say to those boys if it happens again they will be permanently excluded is just giving them an opportunity to do it again with just a slapped wrist this time.

billy1966 don’t even get me going about dh, I’m so disappointed in him.

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AngelDelightUk · 11/06/2021 16:00

Good on you for going to the police. When I was at secondary school, around year 9 I think, I regularly had similar happen to me and it’s still with me. The school didn’t care at all

I bet the parents of the boys haven’t even been told

billy1966 · 11/06/2021 16:15

OP,
Your daughter is lucky to have a mother like you that is rightly outraged on her behalf.

I can only imagine MY fury and disgust if MY husband wasn't arsed about one of our daughter's had been assaulted repeatedly.

Deal breaker comes to mind.

Petal12 · 11/06/2021 16:43

Absolutely appalling OP, I don’t think you’re overreacting. I would take similar action and not let it lie. I am in house legal for a nationwide bus company and whilst the majority of buses are CCTV equipped nowadays, they don’t always work and this is sometimes only discovered once you try downloading any footage from the hard drive. In theory, the answer to you question over whether there is CCTV should be yes but until it’s actually secured and viewed there is unfortunately a risk any incident has not been captured or the data corrupted in some way. Footage is also overwritten every 24/48 hours which is a whole other separate and annoying issue. Regardless, I would push the bus company for confirmation either way.

Sodamncaughtinthemiddle · 11/06/2021 17:34

That's awful
I was bullied by a group of boys at school
Life time of self hatred and issues with food and eating disorders

I think you have definitely done the right thing contacting the police

bonfireheart · 11/06/2021 17:35

OP something similar happened to me when I was in year 9. However the bullies were at a different school to me. I was too scared to tell my parents. One of my friends told the deputy head and will no involvement from my parents the deputy head contacted the other school and got it sorted. No idea what he did or said because the girls came and apologised to me and were really nice to me after. Shows that if school seniors want to get stuff done, they can.

LanaDelBoy · 23/06/2021 12:04

@ImaHogg how's it going, OP?

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