Is it totally normal for primary school teachers to shout at their pupils these days?

[SatsumaFan]

Just wondering. My 10yo ds is always saying a particular TA, who also teaches them PE once a week, shouts a lot. He says she always seems in a bad mood and is short tempered and shouts her head off at them. He says he stops listening when she does it (I'd be inclined to do the same tbh. Can't bear people shouting at me).

Is this normal or should I email the head and ask for her to stop? They're year 5 btw, but also hear stories of a Year 3 teacher being extremely shouty and it makes me uncomfortable.

@Smilesallround1 good idea re speaking directly with the staff member Not sure where I said I wasn't concerned for her?? I've said I'm worried about my ds, but the two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[quote SatsumaFan]**@lavenderlou* I'm not talking about general shouting in a noisy playground where it's necessary. I'm talking about shouting at* the children aggressively and for seemingly not much.[/quote]
So what is this seemingly not much behaviour?

There's a lot of detail about what the TA does, how much she shouts,how she loses it etc. but no example of the children's behaviour.

I'm in secondary now, but the last two primary schools I worked in, the sound of a member of staff shouting was enough to have other staff going to see what was wrong, it was so unusual.

Perhaps I should ask MN to add a "teacher trigger warning" to the thread title...

Or maybe don’t mix up teachers with TAs?

What TAs have had to endure this pandemic has been a scandal really on the horrendously low pay they are given.

I was in juniors in the early 70s. Teachers didn't shout all the time back then, because if they shouted once eg for the class to be quiet, and were ignored, the slipper came out. Then if you went home and complained to your parents about being slippered, you got punished again (not with a slipper in my case but a stern telling off/extra chores etc).
Times have definitely changed.

@ChloeDecker

Perhaps I should ask MN to add a "teacher trigger warning" to the thread title...

Or maybe don’t mix up teachers with TAs?

What TAs have had to endure this pandemic has been a scandal really on the horrendously low pay they are given.

Like teaching whole key worker groups (17/18 kids) for days .Actual lessons too ,including adapting plans, marking and feedback etc. , plus online meets and marking work there too.

[quote SatsumaFan]@Soontobe60 wow. Was that cathartic for you? Feel better now?

You're absolutely wrong about all your points about me! My TA friends are consummate professionals for a start. You're just reading words on a screen. You've never met me. Please don't judge.

You sound incredibly stressed and at the end of your tether with the DfE/government. I hope you can find some time to look after yourself soon.[/quote]
Did you mean to sound patronising there?

I'm not doubting that there are staff members in schools who raise their voices/shout at children (we have one, and it infuriates me, but ultimately it's the Head's issue to deal with), but this thread shows, once again, how little an idea many parents have of the absolute shit-storm of bad behaviour schools are dealing with these days.

[quote SatsumaFan]**@Soontobe60 wow. Was that cathartic for you? Feel better now?

You're absolutely wrong about all your points about me! My TA friends are consummate professionals for a start. You're just reading words on a screen. You've never met me. Please don't judge.

You sound incredibly stressed and at the end of your tether with the DfE/government. I hope you can find some time to look after yourself soon.[/quote]
@Soontobe60 sounds like every teacher I know right now to be honest. People are so quick to criticise teachers and TAs when they have no clue what they are up against.

You're absolutely wrong about all your points about me! My TA friends are consummate professionals for a start. You're just reading words on a screen. You've never met me. Please don't judge.

Ironic then that having just read words on a screen, you feel qualified to make the following judgment :

You sound incredibly stressed and at the end of your tether with the DfE/government. I hope you can find some time to look after yourself soon.

If she's losing her temper then that is wrong. However raising their voice is sometimes needed.

And my ds - older but with additional needs - regards anything that is not what he wants to ber as shouting so there's a matter of interpretation.

@RockingMyFiftiesNot no judgement, just an observation from the tone amd content of your post. And genuine concern for your mental wellbeing if you are that stressed at work (I'm just reading a short post on MN so don't know, you just came across as quite upset and angry. I accept I may be wrong though).

I wonder if Rocking really needs what comes across (to me) as faux concern in a bid to devalue what she's posted.

[quote SatsumaFan]**@RockingMyFiftiesNot* no judgement, just an observation from the tone amd content of your post. And genuine concern for your mental wellbeing if* you are that stressed at work (I'm just reading a short post on MN so don't know, you just came across as quite upset and angry. I accept I may be wrong though).[/quote]
It wasn't my post

@CallmeHendricks

I wonder if Rocking really needs what comes across (to me) as faux concern in a bid to devalue what she's posted.

Thanks @CallmeHendricks possibly, but it wasn't my post, I was just trying to support a poster as I recognised what she was saying from so many friends who work in schools (pre-, during, and post lockdowns).

I can remember my children's reception/year one teacher shouting. I don't actually think it did them much harm and they don't seem to remember it now.

@RockingMyFiftiesNot, Ah right, sorry - it's easy to lose track on threads that have so frequently turn into bashing. The point still stands though. We had so much of this "head-tilt" stuff back during lockdown when school staff were being annihilated on here from posters who were projecting their anger about their own situation onto anyone who was foolish enough to admit they worked in a school.

I have twins...dt2 yr6 teacher couldn't quiet the class at all, she would shout and hand out punishments left right and centre.. dt1 yr6 teacher would simply raise 1 eyebrow and the class would immediately sit in seats with hands on laps... I want to be her when I grow up :)