What do the Labour party need to do to stop their slow death?

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I'll start:

Starmer needs to stop acting like a rabbit in the headlights and actually stand for something. He has no charisma or gravitas. We want someone with a personality. Stand for something Starmer!

Stop pandering to the 'red wall'. Inspire people to vote for the party with some good policies instead of flip flopping about.

Have some inspiring and uplifting policies like:

• Free childcare for working parents
• making public transport normal and affordable
• subsidised green energy initiatives to help householders lower energy bills eg solar panels etc

And they NEED to distance themselves from that anti science TWAW stance. I'm all for being kind but a blanket dilution of what 'woman' means is regressive.

As a natural labour voter what do you want them to do? And ‘listen to their core electorate’ isn’t an answer...
I thought their last 2 manifestos were ok but sadly Corbyn was a massive vote loser along with the
anti-semitism stuff. Many political commentators suggested they were pretty indistinguishable from those produced by social democratic parties in Europe.

I don’t think they despise success or ambition hence their demands that schools and colleges receive more funding and ordinary kids receive a decent education. And it was the coalition that cut surestart centres which were designed to help struggling families ?

I can't vote Labour because they have don't have a credible leader, no policies, no direction, no balls, no integrity.

And I'd so like to be able to.

The media do absolutely control a lot of what goes on in politics. Murdoch has a lot to answer for! He switches sides if it benefits him, but it's massively influenced voters over the years. There was a very interesting documentary about just this. Check it out.
Populism! People will believe anything if it fits into their 'ideals'.
I will never, ever understand anyone who as lifelong labour supporters will vote Tory just because of our current leader?! He won't be there forever!
The Tories are not here for the vast majority of working people. They'll screw us all. How can the likes of Boris represent us? Bonkers. And dangerous.

Labour supporters on this thread really aren't doing themselves or their party any favours

Policies to massively overhaul our NHS. Compulsory purchase of land to build social housing and abolish right to buy. Increase tenants' rights and landlords' responsibilities.

Stop pandering to TRAs. Housing and health are the main priorities for potential Labour voters..

@SunsetBeetch I thought the thread was for labour supporters or former ones ?

@Schonerlebnis

I don’t think they despise success or ambition hence their demands that schools and colleges receive more funding and ordinary kids receive a decent education. And it was the coalition that cut surestart centres which were designed to help struggling families ?

Totally they want those things funded better. However previous posters are saying once you get to a comfortable position in life it seems labour want to then penalise you. It doesn't really matter if that is true or not. That is the way labour is now viewed by the voters. So something they should address.

You’re making the typical labour voter/party mistake of assuming everyone agrees with your view and treating those who don’t as too stupid to have an opinion.

There was an educational thing in wales that was affecting my children - so I did fair bit of reading round and then found a senedd enquiry report - all the stakeholders were against it or very poltically nutural and there was considerable evidence it was disadvantaging some students- upshot everything was fine and everyone needed more education .

I'm voting soon - one of the Labour candiates who wants my vote says a vote for anyone but them is a Tory vote.

They and their party voted down a scheme that would deal with a huge issue in my city that adversly effects lives - fair enough it wasn't perfect but that's it there's been no attempt to deal with the issue - it's still there and there's no plan to deal with it.

It's a straight race between between Lab and Conservatives - I'm really torn about how to vote - and given the national conservate party behavior I really shouldn't be.

Where is/ was Labour with the recent PO / Horizon scandal? They should be all over that and supporting these people ( normal working people trying to keep their small post offices afloat) and yet nothing. It’s a perfect “Labour for the working people “versus private industry and crap computer systems and people have been sent to prison/ lost their lives. And yet you hear nothing about it from Labour at all?! It’s baffling. Maybe the people involved aren’t the right type of victim and yet they are, normal working class people.
Not heard a single Labour MP even mention it

[quote Schonerlebnis]@SunsetBeetch I thought the thread was for labour supporters or former ones ?[/quote]
Did I say otherwise?

I don’t know what labour can do. Poster up thread can’t vote labour because starmer ‘has no balls, direction or integrity’. But Johnson does ? They haven’t even created a manifesto yet and Starmer was a human rights lawyer before he became a QC and director of public prosecutions, so no integrity ... really ? Doesn’t make sense.

You talked about ‘labour supporters on this thread’, indicating you weren’t one. What’s your impression of Johnson btw ?

No I'm a former one. I don't like Johnson.

Why I can't vote Labour:

Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader. His views might have sounded palatable if we were all teenagers wearing badges on our jackets and sitting in the common room at school. To many of us he was a nasty, out of touch, idealistic relic of the 70s.

Kier Starmer - no idea what he stands for, other than fence sitting. Him trying to - rightly - destroy Boris at PMQs last week was embarrassing to watch. He read from a script and sounded like a wheedling child.

The party - again absolutely no idea what they stand for and who they represent. Are they meant to appeal to the smug middle class wokesters (as it would currently seem) or your average working person?

Misogyny - most important of all for me. If a party wont stand up for my sex and our sex based rights, they can bugger off. I'll never vote for them.

The smug viciousness. You see it on here all the time. Anyone who voted for the Tories is a bastard or a cunt apparently and Labour voters are superior in every way, especially morally . That doesn't do much in terms of encouraging voters from other parties to change allegiance.

I'm politically homeless and will spoil my ballot paper.

Many ex labour voters on this thread have said they would rather spoil their paper. It isn't about voting Tory instead. It is about wanting a better labour party that people feel they can vote for.

Comparing parties or slagging of Boris and the Tories won't win votes. Here or in real life. It just confirms that current labour members don't get the problem.

If the media are so powerful and right wing supporting, then how did left wing Labour - viz. Denis Healey “we’ll squeeze the rich until the pips squeak” governments win elections in the past?

Err which govt's? Previous to Blair in 1997, the last Labour win was in 1974, with majority of 3 !

Healey actually said was "squeeze property speculators until the pips squeak." and it was in response to Lord Carrington having made £10m selling farm land in 1974.... it was a huge amount of money in todays terms.

But you ve given an excellent example of how the media twist what Labour politicians say.......

Aside, the SUN used to be a Labour supporting paper.

@KateWinsome

Policies to massively overhaul our NHS. Compulsory purchase of land to build social housing and abolish right to buy. Increase tenants' rights and landlords' responsibilities.

Stop pandering to TRAs. Housing and health are the main priorities for potential Labour voters..

keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/

Its all there, yet Lab have no polices..... ideals .... or beliefs.

The media can be fickle. We’ve had criticism of Johnson this year.

And Starmer isn’t loved but also more respected than others. He’s not really attacked, the worse thing could be being ignored.

He has a chance to get somewhere but has to get the policies and narrative right.

So we never see politicians interviewed on TV or during question time etc. None of them use Twitter and social media. We are only going on the gutter press and fake news. Okay then 🤔

I think one of the big issues for Labour is they’re really bad at looking at themselves for faults. And prefer to deflect to media and what they see as misled public.

You can’t get better if you don’t at least look at issues.

@TruelyWonder

Many ex labour voters on this thread have said they would rather spoil their paper. It isn't about voting Tory instead. It is about wanting a better labour party that people feel they can vote for.

Comparing parties or slagging of Boris and the Tories won't win votes. Here or in real life. It just confirms that current labour members don't get the problem.

Exactly. Like we haven't heard this all a thousand times before.

I spoiled my ballot at the General Election and probably will do the same for the locals.

It was horrible @SunsetBeetch and sorry @Bythemillpond that you were thinking of doing the same and leaving.

I had never been so ashamed of my country at the time they asked me just how long it took us to pass laws to remove passports. I was so upset - told them the civil service would never stand by and implement that and yet how can people who lost family in the Holocaust take that on trust?

@EsmaCannonball

Next time there's a big election they need to kidnap Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar and their like and lock them in a cupboard till it's all over. They need to distance themselves from loud, ubiquitous commentators who are voting-booth poison.

They need to reconnect with real people's real concerns. Nobody on a crime-ridden sink estate wants to abolish prisons and the police. Nobody whose job is at risk cares about pronouns.

This! I was really pissed off with Lisa Nandy’s comments about male rapists in women’s prisons last election. Was nearly persuaded out of my outrage by 2 lovely women canvassers... then on the day of the election Owen Jones tweeted a picture of a ?18yo woman wearing a t-shirt with words to the effect of “Will suck cock for socialism”, him and all his Bromentum bearded fanboys were all retweeting and lapping it up as a reason to vote for Jezza. Absolutely no sense of how repulsive their misogyny is to most women over 20.

Meant to add, as others above, I spoilt my ballot quoting Owen Jones and Lisa Nandy in protest.