What do the Labour party need to do to stop their slow death?

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I'll start:

Starmer needs to stop acting like a rabbit in the headlights and actually stand for something. He has no charisma or gravitas. We want someone with a personality. Stand for something Starmer!

Stop pandering to the 'red wall'. Inspire people to vote for the party with some good policies instead of flip flopping about.

Have some inspiring and uplifting policies like:

• Free childcare for working parents
• making public transport normal and affordable
• subsidised green energy initiatives to help householders lower energy bills eg solar panels etc

And they NEED to distance themselves from that anti science TWAW stance. I'm all for being kind but a blanket dilution of what 'woman' means is regressive.

Split in to two separate parties.

Become less misogynistic.

Recruit and promote better MPs.

I will go back and read everyone’s replies so I’m not influenced by others. To be successful Labour needs SNP to lose traction and for there to be a scandal or for Mr Johnson to fuck up before the election.

That's about right.

For Labour to win everyone else has to fuck up so very badly.

No idea op
I've just spolit my ballot for the May elections
Life long labour voter pre 2017

Policies etc don't really matter

Oh they do if the headlines you are getting are ‘Free broadband for all, nationalise the railways and scrap private schools’.

People have been voting Tory, you’re not going to win them back with stuff that makes you look like an 80s firebrand.

What really pistes me off is that Starmer doesn't believe that TWAW
He just doesn't have the courage to say so
Sadly for him and Labour the woke student vote won't win a GE

I think they surround themselves with people who don’t pull them up on their stupid ideas with glaring holes in the middle.
I get the impression that anyone not agreeing with the status quo is barred from speaking or having any influence so you end up with a political party that comes up with policies that are irrelevant to millions of the population but appeal to the Woke and the Trans community who are a tiny percentage of the voting public. If they only appeal to that tiny percentage then they will never get in.

Corybyn and momentum killed Labour years ago. No leader could have resuscitated it during this period when the focus is Covid and brexit. No one gives a shit about any parties polices, everyone’s just interested in Covid, vaccines, lockdown and everything associated sith it.

If the Labour Party had any hopes of winning back power they would be fighting & campaigning hard to regain ground lost to the SNP in Scotland. They would be using their best politicians to convince the Scottish people to vote for them.
They need a political strategist to shape their policies to appeal to the general public rather than the student unions.
They need to ditch identity politics, which only appeals to a minority & is a big turn off for the majority.
Their MPs & followers need to realise that likes on Twitter are not votes.
I don’t think Keir Starmer is the man for the job unfortunately.
They are not even effective opposition.

Just emailed my MP (don't know if she works on Sundays). Asked her opinion on safe spaces for women ans if she believes that people can change sex. Not holding out much hope as she is a Labour MP

Lurker and Jackie.... the ventilators and CPap units reverse engineered at Dyson before medics worked out they could treat breathing problems with steroids...

Stop pandering to the 'red wall'.

I disagree with this, if labour ever want to be in power again they need to win back northern constituencies.

Yes to the rest, in particular TWAW nonsense. Student union/owen jones/Ash sarkar types politics just doesn't appeal to the majority of the population.

I don't feel like I'm welcome as someone that has passed a certain point of financial success.

Both me and my DH come from a family of labour supporters, working class, state educated, had jobs from 16. We know what it's like to have very little and to need government help

We have managed to work our way into the top 1%, and I am more than happy to pay high taxes and contribute more because of this

But the the Labour Party demonise us for being successful. Their narrative seems to label us as selfish and to put it bluntly I'm sick of being labelled as part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. Therefore I can no longer vote labour

That said I don't vote conservative either cos I feel they swing too far in the opposite direction

This really resonated with me zzebra. DH grew up in a council flat, his dad cycled to work at an unskilled factory job and his mum at the local Bingo hall. He remembers having very little to eat on a Wednesday night before the next paypacket on a Thursday and - although his mum and dad were great parents - as a clever teenager he wanted a different future for himself. He has worked so hard, got to university on a bit of a grant and a lot of hard work over the summer holidays, as his parents couldn't help him at all financially, and finally reached a senior position in an international firm.

Labour says they want poor kids to do well, but as soon as you do you are perceived as having moved out of the working class and almost regarded as one of the oppressors. We are similarly happy to pay high taxes as we are very fortunate.

We do still both vote Labour at the moment, and I'm liking their new leader in Scotland, so far but I'm not feeling hopeful just now and their TWAW stance is just wrong.

I was never a huge TB fan and wish that John Smith hadn't died

Haven't voted Labour for a good few years now.

It's not that I have a strong opinion about trans rights, or Palestine, or veganism or whatever. It's just these issues are not really relevant to my day to day life. Same as for many, many people outside of the middle class Labour strangleholds in London and Manchester.

I want to be able to go see a NHS dentist when my tooth is in pain in a reasonable amount of time, not be told I couldn't get in for 3 weeks.

I want to feel like my achievements in life are something to be proud of, not a stick to be beaten down with - yet look at how many Labour MPs are lawyers and other middle class professionals. And recognise that many of us who have strived would be happy to pay more taxes to level things back up.

And I don't ever want to listen to Owen Jones, I'm not actually sure if he's real or some comedian playing the long game.

Learn what a woman is.
Have some realistic promises that are centre left.
Become the sensible left rather than the loony left.

They don’t seem to care about things that matter to ordinary people - they are completely out of touch. They seem to be in thrall of privileged individuals who have never done a day’s hard graft.

It really worries me that they present no opposition to the government at all. So what are they for? I have no idea. I've always voted Labour but if there was an election tomorrow I'd have absolutely no idea who I'd vote for (not Conservative obv unless someone had a gun to my head) so I'm left in a position of wondering if I'd bother. No one wants to stick their head above the parapets for anything in case it's unpopular so we're left with this bland, amorphous nothingness - and the Tories who can do what they want. The rights of large sections of people are apparently unrepresented, women and disabled people for example.

All I saw around me on Facebook and other social media especially around the time of the election is the "have nots" sitting around with their hands out for the world to give them their living (not benefit claimants - pink haired woke students in love with labels and identity politics). They have no drive, no ambition to better themselves and they resent anyone who is in a better position than them. They throw around words like privilege like confetti, they denigrate white people as the bringer of all evil. The worst thing you can be in their eyes is a straight white man, and if that's what they are they'll try their hardest to identify their way out of it.

If you're of the opinion that everyone should have the chance to succeed through hard work and determination, with a helping hand from the government if necessary, you're basically evil. They want to drag everyone down to their level instead of everyone being helped up and their mantra is "its not fair". The worst part is that they don't know they're like that and they dont understand why everyone doesn't agree with them. Jettison that sort of person and Labour might be in with a shot again

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Lurker and Jackie.... the ventilators and CPap units reverse engineered at Dyson before medics worked out they could treat breathing problems with steroids...

This is such a weird post I can't be arsed with it.

You mean factual.....and you can't argue with the facts....

I'm a life-long MC Labour voter who is now a financially successful business owner. I won't ever vote Tory. Held my nose and voted Labour under Corbyn. Won't vote Labour again until they decide that women are adult human females. Have voted in every election big or small for 40 years and will spoil my ballot at the pending local elections.

I think Labour were in trouble when Gordon Brown called a woman a bigot for asking a perfectly legitimate question that was affecting a lot of people.

The fact he couldn’t get his mind round the question and just thought she was an anomaly and not what potential Labour voters wanted to know the answer to just showed that Labour even then were out of touch with the reality of people’s lives.

Local level - have some ambition for area and it's people - wanting better is not a dirty concept.

At Welsh level - realise there's so much more more than Cardiff - quite a few things for my city have been block or treated with disinterest - and have more of a plan than to just make shit more expensive for people and businesses.

UK level - be a credible oppposition holding the government to account like they are supposed to be doing - and then work up to looking like a government in waiting - so stop saying stupid shit about not knowing what a woman is and having crediable polices - the broadband thing last election seemed so poorly thought out and last minute it was off putting.

Plus as PP said realise twitter is not the electorate nor respectives of the whole electorate.

Listening to people would help with all that.

Another life long Labour voter devastated at their awful treatment of women. If Starmer is too frightened of the intolerant left in the party to stand up for his own MPs like Rosie Duffield who's been appallingly treated, how the hell will he stand up to hostile forces? the interests of the country? safeguarding children?

So depressing.

I'd like a brave, clever, sensible, highly-educated woman - a working class Shirley Williams - to form the People's Party and run with it.

(Well, one can hope )