Do you secretly judge people who announce their pronouns in their emails?

[Mewmin]

I was reading the thread on BBC pronouns earlier and it got me thinking about my own reaction when I come across people who I had previously respected and looked up to who have put their preferred pronouns in their email signature (all female with obviously female names like Annabelle and Rebecca).

Personally I believe it shows a lack of critical thinking and, working in the academic field, I am finding it very difficult not to alter my view of the (very) few colleagues and work contacts who have done this. In one case it has actually made me think twice about working more closely with someone.

Am I alone in this?

I should add that I am supportive of transpeople's rights but don't think that they should override women's rights and I cannot go along with the lack of logical thinking and tautological definitions used in gender ideology.

What’s this linked in change? Optional I hope!

No, wouldn't judge people at all.
Each to their own is my motto

@Felicitybeedle Encourages exclusivity and normalises asking people, not a popular MN opinion though

I agree with this (although I think probably meant inclusivity lol)

I came across someone with the pronouns "she/him" recently. I definitely judged that person, as being really and truly stupid. Can you imagine the work tea round... "oh please can you pass him the coffee with milk, and she ask for a biscuit too."

It is a predictaby idiotic interpretation of the new mantra "you can have whatever pronouns you like"... how can someone require different pronouns within the same sentence?!

This person has also declared that they are probably demigurl but "one thing is for sure they know they are 30% female".

[quote GNCQ]I'm on the cat's side

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@GNCQ - this is brilliant. Thank you for the laugh.

@MobyDicksTinyCanoe

Each to their own....... But if someone asked me such a ridiculous question I'd hoik my massive bosom, rest my chin on it and thourghly and studiously give that person ' the look'.

This!

Darker: The judgment and exclusionary attitudes being expressed on here is shocking.

Agree it looks bad, but I think most people who put pronouns in their emails and/or urge others to do so generally MEAN to be inclusive - they just aren’t at any disadvantage themselves and don’t have a clue about the diversity of the world and how systemic discrimination operates. They ironically think that Trans people want to be singled out like this, and don't really think about the negative impact to women. Getting out of COVID lockdown and out to speak to a whole world of people face to face will help (I hope).

My query would be whether someone would treat me differently if I was male than if I was female. If my opinion and experience would be of more value if I was male rather than female.

If that is the case then any organisation is very discriminatory.

If it is not the case, then it's irrelevant whether I'm male or female so let's crack on and get the job done.

Most of my colleagues have their pronouns in their email signatures, as do most of the students (I work in a university).

Luckily no one has queried why I haven't, or suggested I do it. But if I am forced to I shall go with we/us a la Queen Victoria.

Yup. Or online. When they are quite obviously a man or woman.

I presume Eddie Izzard will put he / him / she / her / it / they / them

I refuse to get involved.
It was raised at work. I simply said that in 53 years, nobody had failed to correctly identify me as a woman.
The only trans woman of my age I know well has the view that
a) it is utterly obvious that she identifies as female.
b) anyone using Male pronouns is not doing it accidentally but intentionally and therefore making a point. Gibbering on about personal pro nouns and whatnot is not going to make a difference.

@bonfireheart

I don't understand why the email pronouns always cond in twos She/her He/him

Like isn't it a given that if its "she" then it'll be "her". Or are there different combinations?

One of my son's friends(an adult) has four. Yes four He/Him/Ze/They
I have no idea why He is OK sometimes and others it's not or how other people know which to use and when. Different days of the week or whether there is an "R" in the month?

@Bloodybridget

I'm sure it's already been said on the thread, but if I were ever asked to state my pronouns (unlikely as I am ancient and retired) I hope I'd have the guts to say "I, me, mine".

This is my plan if I'm ever forced to add pronouns - me / my / mine.

How are they oppressed?

@Nodal

How are they oppressed?

Do you think people should justify and explain themselves to you?

I don't show my pronouns but when I see it I can manage not to jump to conclusions about why someone else would do so. Maybe its company policy. Maybe its because of something that matters to them very much. They are certainly not accountable to me for their decision.

I repeat. in what way do you think trans people are impressed in this country? (Your words)

Oppressed.

@Nodal

I repeat. in what way do you think trans people are impressed in this country? (Your words)

I'm not trans so am not able to speak for how trans people feel, any more than I could speak for how you feel.

Why should people explain themselves to you?

I do have a good eye roll when I see pronouns appearing in email signatures, linked in etc.

I do wonder if, as “Cis” women, we put He/Him as pronouns if we would be pulled side and questioned about it, or asked to change it. Obviously doing so could cause issues for someone’s career so I don’t want to encourage anyone to do that, but I bet if I did, I would have a manager round sharpish asking me questions about my pronouns, something we aren’t supposed to challenge anyone on.

As usual, no one can say why trans people are "the most oppressed people on the planet" and hence need special language consideration, just like they can't define what "feeling like a woman" is.

@Nodal

As usual, no one can say why trans people are "the most oppressed people on the planet" and hence need special language consideration, just like they can't define what "feeling like a woman" is.

Why does it bother you so much?

@TiredOfTelford If i am asked my pronouns I am prepared to say that as I have no internal feelings about which gender I am- I don’t “feel” like a woman or a man, I am therefore gender free.

Debating on whether to insist pronouns aren’t used at all, and I don’t want my gender, or lack of, referred to at all....

See every single thread in the Feminism Section, if you're actually interested in real debate, real damage being done to women rather than platitudes, slogans and "I know you are but what am I"

@Nodal

See every single thread in the Feminism Section, if you're actually interested in real debate, real damage being done to women rather than platitudes, slogans and "I know you are but what am I"

No thanks, Nodal. I've looked in there before and its not for me.