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Would your school (primary ) accept these shoes?

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MrsBDarcy · 19/04/2021 09:24

I had to buy these yesterday along with several other parents due to lack of options (3 shops tried) and huge queues at Clarks and unable to get to any other shops. Son's inside insole wore through rendering his current shoes super uncomfortable despite still looking ok. I'm hoping school don't say they're too trainer-ish as I can't afford to buy more and son was asked to make sure he got new shoes at weekend after he wore trainers on Friday. Help me have a polite response ready to say these are what he'll be wearing for a while ?

Would your school (primary ) accept these shoes?
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Gobbeldegook · 19/04/2021 13:34

Primary school? I'd be having a stern word if they commented!
Any black shoe that is comfortable, covers the toes and is appropriate for the weather is acceptable!
Bonus points if the child can fasten and unfasten it on their own.

SleepingStandingUp · 19/04/2021 13:35

So @SpringTides5, would you keep your kids off school for a week if, given the current situation, you couldn't find suitable shoes?

tywysoges · 19/04/2021 13:36

Yes for DD’s old primary and for her secondary too. She wears Nike all black trainers (including sole and logo) atm and they’re fine.

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SleepingStandingUp · 19/04/2021 13:38

I went to the No1 secondary state school in England for its year, uniform was a set skirt, jumper, blazer etc but we were never forced to wear our jumpers or blazers until the teacher gave permission to remove, unlike my sister's rough state comprehensive. I remember a few girls told firmly to pull down their skirts but no one ever got sent home. I remember a teacher telling me off once for wearing a leather coat in 6th form. Until I took it off and showed her the label. She grudgingly half apologised. Didn't affect our results!!

tywysoges · 19/04/2021 13:38

(But having just noticed a skipped a whole page, her school doesn’t have a blazer or any of this nonsense either, so even though they do wear a tie, seems like a more informal uniform than even some primaries.)

Gobbeldegook · 19/04/2021 13:39

blazer and jumper on at all times unless teacher gives permission to remove

That is shockingly ridiculous.
What if the child's hot?
Does that not matter?
Body autonomy is more important than conformity!
It's bloody dangerous to over heat.
Can just imagine a cold arse teacher sat under the air con telling sweaty kids they can't take their jumper off cause teacher isn't cold!
Poor kids.

Whatwouldscullydo · 19/04/2021 13:40

Uniform is also expected to be worn properly- top buttons done up, shirts tucked in, blazer and jumper on at all times unless teacher gives permission to remove, shoes polished

4 year olds in blazers ?

No poor kids or children with disabilities in your school then.

Those shoes are what most "boys" school shoes consist of. Dd has had similar.

They cant expect much more when shops have been open about a week and you need to.book fittings.

AngelsWithSilverWings · 19/04/2021 13:49

These would have been fine for my sons junior school as they relaxed the rule in the final two years he was there. Even his strict about uniform state grammar school would allow these shoes now as they strongly encourage cycling to school and the office style shoes get damaged by the pedals.

I would send a quick email now explaining/apologising that due to stock shortages these were the best you could find after hours of trying and you hope they understand that he will be wearing these until the end of the academic year. Don't wait for them to spot them - get in first and they would appear very unreasonable to make a fuss about it in the current climate.

Inertia · 19/04/2021 14:02

[quote SpringTides5]@dementedpixie

Yes- it does impair their ability to learn. All the research shows that strict school uniform policies leas to better outcomes in school.

Dressing smartly associates school with work. Certain clothes are appropriate for work and others are not. Trainers would it be acceptable in an office so should not be acceptable in a school.

The DCs' schools all have very strict policies on uniform. Parents and DC know this when they attend the school. Anyone wearing those trainers would be sent straight to the head. They'd be sent home to change and would receive 3 days' of after school detention for a first offence.[/quote]
Correlation is not causation. Extremely formal uniform does not, in itself, lead to an improvement in learning outcomes.

Research does indicate that school uniform can be a factor in improving learning outcomes, but not that it has to be a blazer/suit and tie/ dress shoes. There’s an element of learning through play and exploration throughout primary school, most obviously with younger children- a formal uniform would be impractical for reception children learning through sand and water play, or children learning in a forest school. (It would be impractical for teachers too!) . Children aren’t learning in an office.

Where there is a uniform policy which is universally understood and applied, children will feel secure . That security stems from wider behaviour management though, rather than solely from wearing formal uniform - if behaviour management generally is clear, fair and consistent, children will feel secure in their learning environment and learning outcomes are likely to improve. If uniform policy is strict but poor behaviour and lesson disruption are tolerated, learning outcomes don’t improve.

Children from households where there isn’t money available for expensive uniform (especially school-specific rather than generic) or particular new shoes as soon as old ones break won’t benefit from having to miss school until parents are next paid. Children from disordered households can’t magic up the correct shoes on their own, and won’t benefit from missing lessons.

You also need to consider the wider issues about parental engagement, and the impact that has on learning outcomes. Some schools have very strict hoops to jump through, whether in terms of uniform or other factors (e.g. faith based requirements). Those schools will admit children with parents who are already fully engaged with their child’s education, and so the children are more likely to have parental support with their learning.

intheenddoesitreallymatter · 19/04/2021 14:03

Ridiculous after everything kids have gone through that they’re still bothered about uniform.

He’s there, he’s clean, he’s ready to learn does it really bloody matter?

I’d send him in with a letter along the lines of:

To whom it may concern,

Due to unforeseen demand upon the shops reopening the only school shoes available in X’s size are the ones he is wearing. Although they are athletic in appearance they are school shoes according to X’s website. He is currently going through a growth spurt therefore these will be the shoes he will be wearing until the end of term. I appreciate they may not conform to the idealised school restrictions however they have been the best we can provide due to current circumstances. Thank you very much for your understanding and for your kids ongoing support of X’s learning during this academic year.

Yours sincerely, Mrs X.

Then forget about it completely.

chorusline79 · 19/04/2021 14:15

My DS has some very similar to these and most of his friends wear these as much comfier and more practical for primary kids than stiff leather shoes. I don't expect they'll say anything about it ...

SpringTides5 · 19/04/2021 14:44

@Inertia

The DC's school does not believe in a play based curriculum, so a blazer and for based uniform is perfectly suitable.

The MAT and head believe that focusing on the three r's right from reception is the correct approach. All DC are expected to be at desks doing written work.

DC in South Korea and China do not play with sand pits all day- they are at desks working. It is no surprise they far outperform the DC here.

dementedpixie · 19/04/2021 14:46

Oh god, you're making it sound worse and worse.
What about playtime? Are they allowed to play or would it scuff their perfectly polished shoes?

dementedpixie · 19/04/2021 14:46

You can do written work in any clothing BTW

AwFeebs · 19/04/2021 14:49

They'd be fine in our school.

ColinSupporter · 19/04/2021 14:50

SpringTides5 - any primary school trying to emulate Michaela is not somewhere I’d send either of my children. It might have a place at secondary school, tho I don’t like it, but I’d move house/homeschool before I put my four year old in a a school that thought an after school detention appropriate at primary age for anything, much less uniform infractions. It’s absolutely grotesque what society expects of small children in the name of “preparing them for the workplace”.

Ever more grateful for my children’s warm, caring and friendly school, with a sensible headteacher and sane priorities.

Whatwouldscullydo · 19/04/2021 14:51

Don't kids start school later in those countries though?

At 4 they would still be in kindergarten. Not sitting at a desk at 4 in a blazer ?

Triffid1 · 19/04/2021 14:52

@SpringTides5

Yes it's a state academy primary *@midnightstar66*. All DC are expected to be in shirt, tie, blazer, jumper, smart trousers/skirt, smart socks and smart black school shoes. Both coats and bags must be school logo ones.

Uniform is also expected to be worn properly- top buttons done up, shirts tucked in, blazer and jumper on at all times unless teacher gives permission to remove, shoes polished.

It's great! It helps to ensure a culture or high standards and high expectations. There are very rarely any uniform issues as all parents and DC accept and understand the expectations.

Can't think of anything worse. Also, this probably means the school doesn't make any effort for children with any kind of neuro diversity (not sure of correct terminology) because this level of requirement is only going to work for certain children and not others. I can't think of anything I'd want less for my children than such an environment.

I am in favour of school uniforms but this level of specificity is unfair and inevitably will lead to children being excluded for spurious reasons. Of course, the school probably i okay with that - I bet they regularly celebrate fantastic academic achievements? Because any child who might struggle is weeded out from the start with rules like these.

ColinSupporter · 19/04/2021 14:53

“ The DC's school does not believe in a play based curriculum, so a blazer and for based uniform is perfectly suitable.”

There just aren’t words. I feel so sorry for those children. I cannot imagine wanting to emulate the Chinese education system. I prefer my children to come out of school as happy, mentally healthy, rounded individuals than little grade machines. Urgh.

SpringTides5 · 19/04/2021 14:55

@ColinSupporter

The head at the DCs' school is fantastic! She takes a no nonsense approach to education and behaviour- she insists on high standards from all staff, DC and parents and will simply not tolerate anyone challenging her or not meeting her expectations.

Any parents, staff or DC unable or unwilling to follow the school's expectations regarding things like homework, uniform and behaviour are told in no uncertain terms that the school is clearly not meeting their expectations and they will therefore be better off elsewhere.

MrSeptember · 19/04/2021 14:55

DC in South Korea and China do not play with sand pits all day- they are at desks working. It is no surprise they far outperform the DC here.

I can't comment on South Korea but frankly, the more I learn about China, the less I'd want anything for me and my loved ones that emulates that country. Clearly issues with human rights start at the early education level!

ColinSupporter · 19/04/2021 14:56

“ Can't think of anything worse. Also, this probably means the school doesn't make any effort for children with any kind of neuro diversity (not sure of correct terminology) because this level of requirement is only going to work for certain children and not others. I can't think of anything I'd want less for my children than such an environment. ”

Indeed. My child with Autism would last about five minutes in that environment. Not that I’d ever put them in there to begin with. Just a way of weeding out children with SEN, along with children from lower income families (branded bags, fancy shoes...). Yuck.

FindingMeno · 19/04/2021 14:56

Tell them it's what he's wearing because that's what you could get.
I would be firm.
These aren't ordinary times.

Triffid1 · 19/04/2021 14:58

[quote SpringTides5]@ColinSupporter

The head at the DCs' school is fantastic! She takes a no nonsense approach to education and behaviour- she insists on high standards from all staff, DC and parents and will simply not tolerate anyone challenging her or not meeting her expectations.

Any parents, staff or DC unable or unwilling to follow the school's expectations regarding things like homework, uniform and behaviour are told in no uncertain terms that the school is clearly not meeting their expectations and they will therefore be better off elsewhere.[/quote]
You're either just trolling now or so lacking in any kind of self awareness that's frightening. As I said earlier, fantastic for the head - she can get rid of any children who might need extra support, even if those children are potentially the next great innovators, scientists, artists or leaders of our generation. But she can ensure they pass all their state approved tests with flying colours and write to all parents about their brilliant academic achievements.

Honestly, I wouldn't want to send my children to such a school and I am pretty confident I'd have problems being friends with most parents at this school. I assume you, and the school, think therefore that children with sensory issues, with Autism, with ADHD, with physical disabilities etc should all just go ... somewhere else? Out of sight?

ColinSupporter · 19/04/2021 14:59

“ The head at the DCs' school is fantastic.”

Nope, she’s shit. She’s nicely weeding out anyone who can’t tolerate her ridiculous rules, so her precious school isn’t polluted with children who might be more difficult or need more work. No doubt they also get fantastic grades. Running that kind of school is easy. It’s a disgrace to state education she’s allowed to take that attitude.

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