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The BBC have been overwhelmed with complaints about coverage of Prince Philip

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 10/04/2021 12:29

Showing the same thing on 2 channels simultaneously.

Now you just enter your email to complain as they couldn’t cope with the amount of complaints.

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jessstan2 · 12/04/2021 02:21

@OppsUpsSide

Yeah, the old people who get a single brief visit from carers a day and otherwise are trapped in the house with the TV for company, what self centered, selfish old buggers...

Poor fuckers can’t even change the channel!

If someone is so ill that they cannot change the channel on their TV they will be needing more than one visit a day from carers, surely? It's a horrible, frightening thought but they would more likely be in hospital.
JennyBond · 12/04/2021 06:28

I am sure they will review the London Bridge Operation in light of this.

Yep. And I will be chuckling to myself when every channel is taken off air instead.

KatherineJaneway · 12/04/2021 06:35

I am sure they will review the London Bridge Operation in light of this.

London Bridge?

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Arbadacarba · 12/04/2021 06:56

@KatherineJaneway

I am sure they will review the London Bridge Operation in light of this.

London Bridge?

It's the code name for what happens in the UK when the monarch dies.
Roussette · 12/04/2021 07:23

Oh goody. A BBC correspondent has flown to Corfu to talk about PPhillip this morning. Shock

HeddaGarbled · 12/04/2021 08:54

Jasper Jackson in iNews:

“The row over BBC coverage of Prince Philip's death exposes its no-win role in the culture wars
What would be best for the BBC, and its audiences, would be if we stopped viewing it as a proxy battleground for our cultural and political divides

April 11, 2021 3:27 pm

In any UK newsroom, the one event that is both the most feared, and best prepared for, is the death of Queen Elizabeth II.
Nowhere is that truer than at the BBC, which as “the nation’s broadcaster” comes in for more scrutiny than any TV channel, newspaper or radio station, especially when it comes to subjects that are so closely intertwined with the country’s identity.
The death of the Queen’s husband Prince Philip was, by dint of his title if nothing else, a smaller challenge, but one that underscores the BBC’s no-win role in the UK’s culture wars.
As the news broke, the BBC threw its entire weight behind wall-to-wall coverage of the Duke of Edinburgh’s life and death. Schedules were scrapped, with Eastenders and Have I got News for You replaced with news and only news. Dance beats on radio stations were interrupted with the national anthem and BBC 4’s erudite programming was taken off air for an entire evening.
This did not please everyone. Viewing figures compiled by Jake Kanter, international editor of entertainment industry magazine Deadline Hollywood, show audiences were down at the BBC, as they were everywhere else that ditched their usual schedules for Philip-themed news and reflection. On a day when the nation might have been expected to turn to the Beeb, the highest rated show on a single channel was Channel 4’s Gogglebox.
But viewers didn’t just switch off. Some were so incensed by the deluge of royal coverage that they began writing complaints. So many, in fact, that the BBC had to set up a streamlined form for those who wanted to register their displeasure at “too much coverage” of the death of the Queen’s husband.

The BBC is used to complaints, receiving tens of thousands each month. Sometimes it even receives complaints about shows on non-BBC channels over which it has no control. The need to set up a dedicated form suggests its programming in the wake of Philip’s death generated an unusual spike, but that’s no big surprise when the country’s biggest broadcaster does anything on this scale.
Are those complaining right? Did the BBC go overboard?
Past experience suggests that the anger of those who missed the Masterchef final, or indeed those with a principled objection to handing so much airtime to a member of the monarchy, would pale in comparison to the outrage that would have greeted a BBC response deemed insufficiently reverential.
The right-wing sections of the news media would have waded in with a combination of real and confected outrage, as they did when the late Peter Sissons had the affront to wear a burgundy tie while announcing the death of the Queen Mother in 2002. Sissons wrote in 2011 that the criticism he received almost a decade earlier “still hurts”.
And of course the howls of outrage would have been music to the ears of a government that has not only signalled its hostility to the BBC, but grasped almost any opportunity to inflame the UK’s culture wars. In this environment, the BBC’s repeated references to Philip’s “gaffes” in early coverage seem almost brave.
Either route would have attracted criticism, but when more than half the British public think the monarchy is a good thing for the UK, and only one in ten think it is a negative, it’s not hard to see the sense in going big on tributes to stifle accusations of inadequate patriotism.
Of course, what would really be best for the BBC, and its audiences, would be if we stopped viewing it as a proxy battleground for our cultural and political divides.

As the Guardian’s media editor Jim Waterson tweeted, the UK “really needs to stop asking the BBC complaints department to rule on all our deepest cultural issues and just go to therapy”.
Obsessing over the symbolism of everything the BBC does distracts, repeatedly, from assessments of how well (or badly) it is doing its job.
And if the wall-to-wall coverage of Philip’s death really upsets anyone that much, they should probably get rid of their TV. As long as the public, press and our ruling politicians remain dominated by vocal royalists, the downsides of being seen to show insufficient respect in the wake of a royal death will far outweigh the benefits of keeping the rest of us glued to their screens for a few extra hours”

Jasper Jackson is a freelance journalist, editor and media commentator

Porcupineintherough · 12/04/2021 08:54

R4 news this morning was still full of references to our great national loss. I think they'll worry we'll forget he's gone if they dont remind us every 10 minutes or so.

KeflavikAirport · 12/04/2021 09:34

Flying someone to Corfu. FFS. How ridiculous and irresponsible.

ohforarainyday · 12/04/2021 10:16

Something I've noticed on these threads is variations on this:

Poster: Wall to wall 24/7 coverage on all the major TV and radio channels is excessive.
Royal fans: How dare you get outraged that his death was mentioned on the news! Do you really expect the news to ignore his death completely.

The extreme hyperbole is worrying. Are royal fans so thick they genuinely can't tell the difference between "all channels cancel their entire schedules to broadcast nothing but Prince Philip hagiography" and "a story on the news"? Or are they purposefully using underhand tactics to try to paint non-royalists as unreasonable?

Clearly no one objects to his death being on the news, or even being the leading story on the news. No one has even objected to a single major channel being turned into the 24/7 Phil Show.

What people object to is the absolute Chairman Mao-style tactics of complete Philip-washing the media. It's pure North Korea, and some posters need to read up on their history.

But sure keep pretending that we're upset because his death was even mentioned, and keep screeching about "Corrie" and "Towie." You do realise we can see exactly what kind of snobbish culture war tactics you're engaging in by deliberately choosing to invoke only the names of TV shows coded as being working class and anti-intellectual, don't you? Royal fans really do work overtime to try to paint non-royalists as trashy chavs, and it's disgusting. Sheer unadulterated snobbery from people who have bought whole heartedly into the idea that the class system is meritorious and that the upper classes are genuinely better than the despised working classes.

Personally I've never watched a soap or a reality show in my life - I mainly watch documentaries and arts programmes, which I'm sure would make royalists' heads explode - but guess what? Watching soaps doesn't make you morally or intellectually inferior.

fizbosshoes · 12/04/2021 10:18

Flying someone to Corfu. FFS. How ridiculous and irresponsible.

What on earth is the point? Confused

Peregrina · 12/04/2021 10:21

Corfu - crackers, since the family fled from there when he was a small child. Have they sent anyone to Malta? That would make much more sense since he and the Queen started their married life there.

inappropriateraspberry · 12/04/2021 10:21

@fizbosshoes

Flying someone to Corfu. FFS. How ridiculous and irresponsible.

What on earth is the point? Confused

It's similar to when they have reporters stood in the dark outside hospitals or other buildings, when they could be reporting from the newsroom just as easily. These days information is much quicker and easier to get without having to be at the location. Completely pointless and a waste of money, time and resources.
BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 12/04/2021 10:24

@ohforarainyday

Something I've noticed on these threads is variations on this:

Poster: Wall to wall 24/7 coverage on all the major TV and radio channels is excessive.
Royal fans: How dare you get outraged that his death was mentioned on the news! Do you really expect the news to ignore his death completely.

The extreme hyperbole is worrying. Are royal fans so thick they genuinely can't tell the difference between "all channels cancel their entire schedules to broadcast nothing but Prince Philip hagiography" and "a story on the news"? Or are they purposefully using underhand tactics to try to paint non-royalists as unreasonable?

Clearly no one objects to his death being on the news, or even being the leading story on the news. No one has even objected to a single major channel being turned into the 24/7 Phil Show.

What people object to is the absolute Chairman Mao-style tactics of complete Philip-washing the media. It's pure North Korea, and some posters need to read up on their history.

But sure keep pretending that we're upset because his death was even mentioned, and keep screeching about "Corrie" and "Towie." You do realise we can see exactly what kind of snobbish culture war tactics you're engaging in by deliberately choosing to invoke only the names of TV shows coded as being working class and anti-intellectual, don't you? Royal fans really do work overtime to try to paint non-royalists as trashy chavs, and it's disgusting. Sheer unadulterated snobbery from people who have bought whole heartedly into the idea that the class system is meritorious and that the upper classes are genuinely better than the despised working classes.

Personally I've never watched a soap or a reality show in my life - I mainly watch documentaries and arts programmes, which I'm sure would make royalists' heads explode - but guess what? Watching soaps doesn't make you morally or intellectually inferior.

Well put.
MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2021 10:25

@ohforarainyday

Something I've noticed on these threads is variations on this:

Poster: Wall to wall 24/7 coverage on all the major TV and radio channels is excessive.
Royal fans: How dare you get outraged that his death was mentioned on the news! Do you really expect the news to ignore his death completely.

The extreme hyperbole is worrying. Are royal fans so thick they genuinely can't tell the difference between "all channels cancel their entire schedules to broadcast nothing but Prince Philip hagiography" and "a story on the news"? Or are they purposefully using underhand tactics to try to paint non-royalists as unreasonable?

Clearly no one objects to his death being on the news, or even being the leading story on the news. No one has even objected to a single major channel being turned into the 24/7 Phil Show.

What people object to is the absolute Chairman Mao-style tactics of complete Philip-washing the media. It's pure North Korea, and some posters need to read up on their history.

But sure keep pretending that we're upset because his death was even mentioned, and keep screeching about "Corrie" and "Towie." You do realise we can see exactly what kind of snobbish culture war tactics you're engaging in by deliberately choosing to invoke only the names of TV shows coded as being working class and anti-intellectual, don't you? Royal fans really do work overtime to try to paint non-royalists as trashy chavs, and it's disgusting. Sheer unadulterated snobbery from people who have bought whole heartedly into the idea that the class system is meritorious and that the upper classes are genuinely better than the despised working classes.

Personally I've never watched a soap or a reality show in my life - I mainly watch documentaries and arts programmes, which I'm sure would make royalists' heads explode - but guess what? Watching soaps doesn't make you morally or intellectually inferior.

Good post
aSofaNearYou · 12/04/2021 10:34

@ohforarainyday

What I've noticed on this thread is lots of people assuming everyone that doesn't agree this was a huge deal is a staunch royalist and a snob, when in reality very few have been, and then quite ironically going on about how the other side are deliberately reading into things wrong. Nice rant where people actually behave that way, but it hasn't really been the tone of this thread.

ineedaholidaynow · 12/04/2021 10:35

If it was like North Korea we all wouldn’t be posting on here, and there wouldn’t have been a mechanism of complaining to the BBC.

Interestingly other people also complained that Channel 4 kept Gogglebox on, so TV companies couldn’t win.

Rummikub · 12/04/2021 10:38

I had read that Jasper Jackson article posted above.

It nearly did persuade me to say oh ok fair enough as I’d prefer the bbc to exist than not.

But then I guess it brings into question the agenda of the right wing media and govt.

ohforarainyday · 12/04/2021 10:56

What I've noticed on this thread is lots of people assuming everyone that doesn't agree this was a huge deal is a staunch royalist and a snob, when in reality very few have been, and then quite ironically going on about how the other side are deliberately reading into things wrong. Nice rant where people actually behave that way, but it hasn't really been the tone of this thread.

That's simply not true, and you're doing to me exactly what you accused me of doing.

It's a fact that there have been multiple highly disingenuous comments pretending that people are complaining that his death was even reported on the news at all, which is simply a flat out lie and an awful way of twisting the truth in order to attack your "opponents".

Literally no one has objected to his death being on the news, and using tactics like that certainly indicates an obsession with "respecting royals" to be so desperate to paint non-royalists as bad.

It's also a fact that multiple posters have name-dropped specific TV shows coded as being working class and/or anti-intellectual as a way to denigrate other posters, which is clear class signalling and yes naked snobbery.

fizbosshoes · 12/04/2021 10:57

It's similar to when they have reporters stood in the dark outside hospitals or other buildings, when they could be reporting from the newsroom just as easily. These days information is much quicker and easier to get without having to be at the location. Completely pointless and a waste of money, time and resources.

Exactly. Surely the last year has taught us that!
I've always thought it was stupid when they have reporters outside in the dark and rain outside Downing street when something of political interest has happened, or outside Buckingham Palace when something has happened with the RF. I mentioned earlier upthread about the reporters outside the hospital last year, shouting above ambulance sirens, when the pm was in hospital. Why?? It's not like you get any extra insight, or see anything happening.

aSofaNearYou · 12/04/2021 11:05

*That's simply not true, and you're doing to me exactly what you accused me of doing.

It's a fact that there have been multiple highly disingenuous comments pretending that people are complaining that his death was even reported on the news at all, which is simply a flat out lie and an awful way of twisting the truth in order to attack your "opponents".

Literally no one has objected to his death being on the news, and using tactics like that certainly indicates an obsession with "respecting royals" to be so desperate to paint non-royalists as bad.

It's also a fact that multiple posters have name-dropped specific TV shows coded as being working class and/or anti-intellectual as a way to denigrate other posters, which is clear class signalling and yes naked snobbery.*

Yes, some people have said "did you expect them not to report it at all", and some have also made reference to certain TV shows they consider "trashy". But very few have done so alongside any argument that the coverage should have been as extensive as it was, or that the royals are superior and born to rule over us. Most have not come at it from a royalist standpoint at all, but rather from a "why can't you cope without the BBC for one day" angle.

You can say there have been "multiple highly disingenuous comments pretending that people are complaining that his death was even reported on the news at all" all you like, I'm not saying it's completely untrue, but it is equally a flat out lie to say this thread is full of royalists who have been saying the upper class are born to rule over us. Yet it is only posters like you claiming the moral high ground about twisting the truth. It's hypocritical.

ohforarainyday · 12/04/2021 11:17

If it was like North Korea we all wouldn’t be posting on here, and there wouldn’t have been a mechanism of complaining to the BBC.

Facism doesn't pop into being overnight.

North Korea is an unusual case since the country was almost entirely levelled by the war and became completely isolated afterwards, as well as being controlled by Communist China for years.

A better comparison is the early years of Mao's leadership in China. When Mao first took power, long before the Cultural Revolution, he actually encouraged the arts and encouraged complaints as part of his campaign for equality. Mao's government implemented an entire system where ordinary people could bring grievances to the officials. Later on, he cracked down on and punished people for doing the very things he himself had earlier encouraged.

I'm not for a minute suggesting that the UK will end up like Communist China. But I think some people need to read up on political history and how fascism develops, because all the early signs are there. And you might not think it matters, since the UK is likely never going to reach the point where people are being massacred in the streets, but the rise of fascism and the sense of power being concentrated in a few hands, the death of the free press, the rising tide of censorship, people being locked up without trial, the endless lies from those in authority and tolerance for lies; all of these have real impact on people from marginalised groups.

It's sort of ironic that Mumsnet is overwhelmingly dismissive or hostile towards BLM, protestors, anti-royalists, people complaining about racism or Tory corruption or the death of a truly free press, but on the other hand there are a thousand threads complaining about the rise of the powerful and well-funded TRA, the growing influence the TRA have over politics and the media, and the abuse of authority to enforce ideology eg police turning up a GC women's homes to lecture and threaten them for engaging in wrongthink. Do you not see these things are exactly the same? All these things are examples of early stage fascism.

I don't care about royals but I do care about state control over the press, and so should everyone.

HeddaGarbled · 12/04/2021 11:21

But then I guess it brings into question the agenda of the right wing media and govt

Indeed. Which is why I think we should be campaigning for a fully funded, independent, public service broadcaster, which doesn’t have to tiptoe around the government of the day.

Unwittingly, the complainers are playing into the government and right wing media’s hands. How cleverly they’ve been weaponised.

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2021 11:23

@HeddaGarbled

But then I guess it brings into question the agenda of the right wing media and govt

Indeed. Which is why I think we should be campaigning for a fully funded, independent, public service broadcaster, which doesn’t have to tiptoe around the government of the day.

Unwittingly, the complainers are playing into the government and right wing media’s hands. How cleverly they’ve been weaponised.

Why?
MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2021 11:24

Rainy good to read your posts. Nice to have insight more than can’t you plebs last without it for a day.

ineedaholidaynow · 12/04/2021 11:30

But similar has happened with other senior Royal deaths, there just weren’t so many channels available and people having access to television/social media.

I assume it will be even worse when the Queen dies. I think things just shut when George VI died. It’s just traditionally what happens with our Royal Family.

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