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I now understand fly tippers - rant warning!

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aiwblam · 09/04/2021 14:09

Previously, I would have said that fly tippers were simply scummy people who did not care about the environment or community. Having been to our local tip this morning, I now understand why people fly tip and I think we are going to see astronomical levels of it.

I went to the tip to dispose of a 10yo computer and monitor, some assorted metal bits and pieces (mainly from broken stuff, but I was trying to keep the metal out of landfill to, you know, save the environment) and a sheet of wood which we used to use as a dog guard. Nothing difficult, standard stuff that people dispose of.

Our tip is open under "emergency" usage. This has been the case since covid. Apparently residents are supposed to just "store" their litter and only visit the tip if they can't. Well, we were tripping over this stuff on our narrow landing and with kids, dog and us so I decided to tip it.

I queued for 90 mins. Upon entering the hallowed gates, you are interrogated by the Gestapo. You are directed to a bay in which you must park, regardless of what kind of stuff you have to dump and the relevant bin being at the other end of the tip. Several of the bins are pay bins, ferociously guarded. A woman stepped out of a line to recycle some plastic and was screamed at.

The asbestos bin is a pay bin, along with about 6 others. Council, you fucking idiots. People are bagging asbestos up and dumping it in the free "non recyclable" bin. In fact, anything that belongs in a pay bin is being bagged up and dumped in non recyclable. Not by me, but it's pretty bloody obvious what's going on. The pay bins look so clean and empty. The tip opens short hours and is closed Weds and Thurs. 17,000 people live in the catchment area of this tip.

Our landfill bins are collected fortnightly and woe betide anyone who has their bin open even a bloody crack. Our recycling is supposed to be weekly but they often leave behind one category, which we are again instructed to "store".

This is what happens when councils hand over a functioning council tip to a private company who cut costs in any way they can. Closures, hour cuts, pay bins.

This is an area with a lot of woodland around. People go to the woods at night and tip the contents of their vehicle out into the woods. Now I know why and I don't even think they are particularly bad people. I think they are people who are doing it out of necessity as there is no reasonable way to get rid of their litter. I was out for a total of 2 hours. Who can afford to waste time like that? I needed the bloody toilet and got pins and needles in my leg.

Why can't councils see why stuff is fly tipped everywhere? Ours is whining about spending record amounts to clean it up. Erm...do you not see cause and effect?

End of rant

OP posts:
pheasantsinlove · 09/04/2021 14:13

I understand your anger. We have 4 old broken fence panels that need to be skipped. Apparently our local skip no longer accepts them. Where the hell am I supposed to dispose of them if not the skip?! It's ridiculous.

TheRealMrsMorningstar · 09/04/2021 14:18

Ours will only accept one type of rubbish at a time. I have a bed to dispose of which will now be 3 trips; metal, wood, landfill. It is a toddler bed (poor condition so can't pass on) which all fits in my boot in one go but I have to go 3 times 🤷🏼‍♀️ ridiculous!

Dunairbeanat · 09/04/2021 14:20

I agree OP.
I would never fly tip but our recycling containers have now increased to 6 plus the normal bin. This is so the council don't have to separate.
I know it's done to save money but on collection day my town looks awful and creates havoc for disabled people and prams etc.

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StealthPolarBear · 09/04/2021 14:21

Ours is not as bad as you describe but huge queues to get in and if it's too busy they just close - no queueing, just go home again.
I have said to dh that I too can see why fly tipping is on the increase.

busybanana · 09/04/2021 14:21

I'm feeling very lucky now. We have to book a time slot at the tip, but apart from that everything is normal. I've been a couple of times in the past few months and both times have been in and out quickly. I haven't had to queue at all.

ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 09/04/2021 14:21

Ours is all operating as usual.

People are still fly-tipping.

BarbaraofSeville · 09/04/2021 14:22

Our council has an appointment system. The way you find the appointments on the website is a bit back arse way round (you have to tell them your life story before they'll reveal what appointments if any are available, when it would be much better if they first showed which tips had appointments available to choose from) but once you've jumped that hurdle, it's dead easy, you just drive up and dump your rubbish in the appropriate skips. The only thing you have to pay for is rubble, cement, concrete etc. Everything else is free and you can take a car full, twice a week.

Weirdfan · 09/04/2021 14:23

Rubbish is an ongoing battle here, general rubbish bins are tiny and emptied fortnightly and there's never enough space, local tips have queues a mile long and are similarly policed to yours OP. I hate fly tipping with a passion and would never do it but it frustrates me that the council can't see the correlation between insufficient services and the huge increase in fly tipping, and that it probably costs them far more to clean it all up than it would to just empty our bins weekly Angry

devildeepbluesea · 09/04/2021 14:24

@busybanana

I'm feeling very lucky now. We have to book a time slot at the tip, but apart from that everything is normal. I've been a couple of times in the past few months and both times have been in and out quickly. I haven't had to queue at all.
Me too. I'm thanking my lucky stars that it's just book, turn up and go.

OP what you describe is insane.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/04/2021 14:26

People do things that are easy. Simple psychology. They also do things that are social. At some point the social feelings of wanting to do the right thing are so difficult, we just do the easy thing.

It's not rocket science and you're right. Can't blame people when the 'good' system is both expensive and time consuming.

CallmeHendricks · 09/04/2021 14:26

I hear you!
We filled the car up with garden waste a few weeks and got to the tip to find it closed because all the bins were full. I asked when they would be functioning again and got a shrug and told "maybe" by the end of the week (5 days away). We had to bring it all home again and decant it, bit by bit, into the green wheelie bin over the course of several weeks. It was a right pain.
I then realised there was a website where you can see what capacity and queues are like there, and I've been watching it since. It's been mainly either heaving, with long queues, or shut altogether.

Stuffin · 09/04/2021 14:27

We are near a county border.

One county has appointments only never can get one and pre covid were always arsey when you went so it doesn't surprise me that they have used covid to reduce their services even further.

The other county has them open as normal and encourages social distancing but is otherwise helpful and welcoming.

Even though it takes me another 25 mins in the car I go to the one in the county that are welcoming.

memberofthewedding · 09/04/2021 14:28

I can understand your annoyance. Where I live the council decided to reduce the size of the grey bin for (non recyclable) general waste by 1/3. There was not public discussion. It was just announced. We have Brown bins for glass and metal, Blue cardboard and paper, and Green for garden waste. But nothing for plastic waste which comprises a great deal of the general non recyclable stuff. Food waste goes in the Green (garden waste) bin.

As you can imagine a family with several DC will have so much non recyclable waste that their grey bin is overflowing after 2 weeks. Many people once had more than one gray bin. The council sent around a squad to illegally steal the second bin, even if people had paid for them themselves!

The result is the kind of fly tipping you describe in odd corners where there is a bit of cover under darkness. Or people just dump anything in any bin, regardless of colour, and then top up with about 6 inches of what should be in that bin. No one is going to know where it came from once its in the bin waggon along with the rest of the waste.

A few weeks ago my CCTV cameras showed a group of males arrived in an unmarked van and were going around people's gardens looking into their bins! No doubt they were the "bin police" investigating possible irregular use of the recycling bins for general waste. They could not get into my garden because I keep the gates locked. One neighbour challenged them, asked them who they were, and threatened them with the police. They departed very quickly.

senua · 09/04/2021 14:29

Our Council have been good. I think that they realised if they weren't then people would fly tip.
At first there were big queues but then they introduced booking for the busy days. You can just turn up on the other days.

EventuallyDistracted · 09/04/2021 14:30

Ours is book only but once you get there all the queues are very short, all the skips are open, building waste and soil are payable but everything else is free. The staff are helpful. Our household collection is straightforward and reliable (one wheely for normal, one for paper/card/plastic/tins and a crate for glass). We still have a massive fly tipping problem.

ivfbeenbusy · 09/04/2021 14:31

I think your area is an isolated case....most tips are a dream at the moment as you book your time slot and turn up and get rid with no queues . Still doesn't stop lazy arseholes in our area fly tipping though

Enidblyton1 · 09/04/2021 14:31

I agree with everything you say OP. It’s infuriating. And the level of service goes down as council tax increases.

memberofthewedding · 09/04/2021 14:31

There are also those of us who are disabled non drivers and have no way to get to the tip!

justanotherneighinparadise · 09/04/2021 14:33

My MIL loves in Bishops Stortford and now has to pay separately to have her garden waste removed. No more green bin. Prepare for that reality in the near future.

SlipperyLizard · 09/04/2021 14:34

Our tip is fully open but won’t accept even the smallest amount of plaster board. There’s apparently another place you can take it to be weighed and charged, but apparently you have to wear a high vis & hard hat (supplied by you - this may be a covid thing) to visit it.

As a result, instead of the plaster board being dealt with properly, we broke it down and hid it in other bags or the black bin.

Treating everyone with plaster board as if they are a tradesman is bonkers.

jillandhersprite · 09/04/2021 14:36

The thing is if the council/private contractor make it awkward for you to dispose of your own rubbish then they can be seen to be meeting their landfill targets.
Also is it the same contractor that can offer skips at a price to dispose of the stuff it's impossible to get to the tip yourself... Hmmm

osbertthesyrianhamster · 09/04/2021 14:37

I'm with you.

BarbaraofSeville · 09/04/2021 14:37

@Stuffin

We are near a county border.

One county has appointments only never can get one and pre covid were always arsey when you went so it doesn't surprise me that they have used covid to reduce their services even further.

The other county has them open as normal and encourages social distancing but is otherwise helpful and welcoming.

Even though it takes me another 25 mins in the car I go to the one in the county that are welcoming.

We're also near an authority border but it's all residents only here and we're not allowed to go to our nearest tip, a mile from our house, because they're over the border.

We have to use the ones run by our own council, all of which are at opposite sides of the city so a 15-20 mile round trip Hmm.

MargaretThursday · 09/04/2021 14:39

As you can imagine a family with several DC will have so much non recyclable waste that their grey bin is overflowing after 2 weeks.

I wouldn't have thought so if they're recycling everything they can.
We have a green bin and a grey bin. That bin is about half the size of the recycling one. As a family of 5, the recycling is normally full, but the grey bin most of the time has only a few things in the bottom even after a fortnight.

Fly tipping happened when the tips were fully open, and I'm not convinced I've seen more since lockdown.

BarbaraofSeville · 09/04/2021 14:41

Treating everyone with plaster board as if they are a tradesman is bonkers

It's vans here. If you have a van, you are a trader dumping building waste according to our council. DP has driven a van as transport on and off over the years because he can get his bikes and stuff in it, but we've never been allowed to use it to dispose of our house and garden waste because of the 'if it's a van, you must be dumping trade waste' rule which means you have to go to the special trade tip and pay £££s.

Meanwhile all the actual builders attach a trailer to the back of their DWs car and get rid of a lot of their business waste that way Hmm.