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Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)

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file · 01/02/2021 19:04

Inspired by the thread on things that baffle you in other countries, where quite a lot of the discussion related to homes in other countries, I thought it’d be interesting with a thread showing standard homes in different countries and some information about how choices have been made when it comes to their layout etc.

So here are two links to two different homes in Sweden. This one (you’ll get straight to a gallery with pictures and the layout is at the bottom) is a fairly typical house built in the 1970s:
www.hemnet.se/bostad/villa-6rum-rodeby-karlskrona-kommun-fasanvagen-6-17145055#gallery

There are several areas to sit outside, wooden decking areas. There is a large hallway, easy to store clothes and put away shoes. There are two lounges – very common, and normally desired, for families; one for the parents, one for children to have friends in etc. The kitchen was probably a room of its own in the 1970s, but it’s now more or less open to the lounge. There is a separate utility room, and a big storage room with a separate entrance (“förråd”). There is also an indoors storage room, “Klk”. There are bedrooms on the ground floor as well as on the first floor – this is very common, people like not having all bedrooms next to each other (so do I!). Sometimes when the children get older parents like to move downstairs and leave the upstairs to the children completely (including cleaning haha!). In this house, the downstairs bedrooms are kind of tucked away, but it is also common to have a bedroom literally inside the entrance door for example.

When this house was built and bought, the upstairs probably wasn’t ready – people would buy a house that was ‘half-done’ and then when they had saved more money they’d do the upstairs too. So there is no proper bathroom upstairs, just a loo; this is very unusual. (And usually, all bathrooms and loos are fully tiled – all new built houses always have fully tiled bathrooms and toilets, so this is a house that has not been renovated to what is now standard.)

It is also very typical that there are no doors to the lounge/hallway for example. I think that is one reason why Scandi people feel that English houses are so crowded/small/narrow, there’s no open space (even without expanding it would feel more airy if there weren’t doors to three rooms on the ground floor from a very narrow hallway, for example).

So people buying this house would probably fit a proper bathroom upstairs, for example. The downstairs looks quite ‘normal’ and ready to go.

This is quite a standard, recently built flat for families (in fact, it’s just being built, so there are options for the first buyer to choose between, different bathroom tiles for example).

www.hemnet.se/bostad/lagenhet-4rum-majorna-goteborgs-kommun-fixfabrikens-gata-4-17184735#gallery

Three bedrooms, two bathrooms, one of them also has a washing machine and a drier. Two balconies (this is unusual, one is standard), open plan living again. Quite a lot of cupboards/storage, including in the hallway and built in wardrobes in every room. Specific cleaning cupboard in the kitchen area. Big windows – really important, this is one thing I miss in England.

(Bedrooms are never presented as 'double' or 'single' - I don't know any 'child' living at home who had a double bed, and everything is measured in sq metres - it'd be pointless information for someone that a double bedroom, it doesn't say anything about the size, apart from the fact that it is at least 2x2 metres ;-) )

Would be really interesting to see a standard home in Italy/France/Spain/Ireland/the Netherlands for example and hear about the choices made there/what people like and want, I’ve never been in any :-)

I can post some homes in Denmark later on too if anyone's interested.

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Kovit · 04/02/2021 18:14

@banivani - South African houses are different depending on where you live.

These are typical rural huts - the first two are often found in the rural coastal areas. Each homestead has a cluster of huts, consisting of the main house which has a kitchen, parents bedroom and living space, the smaller huts are single bedrooms for family members and often a shed, kraal/cattle enclosure, a fire pit and a huge empty hut as an addition. In the coastal areas, the more colourful the house paint, the prettier it is perceived. Houses are self-built and on tribal land.

The third house with artsy paintings, is found in the north of South Africa and every December Holidays communities take pride in repaints and drawings.

Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Kovit · 04/02/2021 18:19

The next sets of houses are often found in urban areas. Shacks are often occupied by migrant workers from SA rural areas in Johannesburg or other big cities.

The first, is a shack and the second is the inside of a shack. People take pride in their shacks as often they are owned by single parent women.
The next face-brick house is a typical mortgaged house or acquired through bank financing in big cities townships such as Soweto in Johannesburg. Most occupied by married couples with children, working either as nurses, teachers or in office administration/bank tellers, etc.

Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
TheElementsSong · 04/02/2021 18:25

I am enjoying this thread so much Smile

Fistbump @Afromeg Grin

@steppemum I was meaning to agree with you about the Indonesian guest receiving room - common to many Asian cultures I think, at least where there was space. In the shophouse diagram I linked to earlier at 15:13 there is a "front hall" labelled, this would have been the space for guests which was divided from the rest of the house with a wooden "wall" made of carved screens (the purpose of this was so the women of the house could peep at the visitors - perhaps a handsome suitor for an arranged marriage?). Often there was also a hole drilled in the floorboards of the upstairs front room, looking down upon the "public" five-foot way, again for peering to see who was knocking at the front door.

Afromeg · 04/02/2021 18:41

Right here 👊🏾 @TheElementsSong

@Kovit Wow! That is a beautiful shack, re: the second pic. Never knew a shack could be done up this way. You learn everyday.

purrswhileheeats · 04/02/2021 18:55

My ex husband (Middle Eastern) was horrified by gas central heating when he first went to the UK. The first time in my parents' house he asked my dad to show him the boiler and then started panicking about mains gas explosions Grin

snowliving · 04/02/2021 18:57

Chicago has town houses and apartments in high rise buildings.

All the houses I've been in are open plan on the ground floor.
Most have only small back yards.
Garages are either at the back of the yard accessible by an alley or built into the house.

Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
redcandlelight · 04/02/2021 19:16

typical maisonette in the netherlands

basically it's a maisonette.
it's very typical that families live upstairs, whilst downstairs are offices or shops. or smaller flats.

Zofloratheexplorer · 04/02/2021 19:45

Thanks @file for your detailed response! Sounds quite straightforward. I remember bridging loans from when I was studying property law so they were a thing in the past.

snygghygge · 04/02/2021 19:49

I'm really enjoying this thread!
Here are a couple of listings from Copenhagen.
Classy flat in my central neighborhood: www.nybolig.dk/ejerlejlighed/1620/vesterbrogade/260362/202219?utm_source=boligsiden_dk&utm_campaign=boligsiden&utm_medium=exitlinks
A home in a not-so-desirable suburb:
www.nybolig.dk/villa/2700/husumvej/260358/ms1886?utm_source=boligsiden_dk&utm_campaign=boligsiden&utm_medium=exitlinks
A traditional townhouse. Currently the most expensive listing in central Copenhagen:
elbaeks.dk/sag/99FE-000450/ved-stranden-12-1061-koebenhavn-k?utm_campaign=boligsiden&utm_source=boligsiden_dk&utm_medium=exitlinks

Bananalanacake · 04/02/2021 19:53

Yes to the roller shutter blinds in Germany. DH loves the pitch black but I like to know when it's getting light. When he goes away I sleep with the blind half open.

FlightyBird · 04/02/2021 20:20

snygghygge all of those properties make me want to move to Copenhagen now!

Snookie00 · 04/02/2021 20:22

@Kovit. Thank you for posting the pics of the rural huts. It reminds me of my 8 week road trip through SA about 15 years ago. We saw many huts like that in the valley of 1000 hills. It was so beautiful and unspoilt. I hope to take my kids back to show them the country.

BertieBotts · 04/02/2021 20:43

OK, so German houses. Round here they seem to be of three types. The first look exactly like a child's drawing of a house - sloped roof, 4 windows, except the door is often around the side. I think they are really ugly and blocky but almost every house looks like this. They are deeper than they are wide, and they are often divided, either into two houses side by side (so, semi-detached) or with one stairwell and then 3-4 flats one for each storey. They don't always have a balcony here, that's more usual on the side that doesn't face the street anyway.

Or you get flats lining streets in urban areas, about 3-4 stories high, sometimes with shops on the ground floor in town centres but just houses all the way to the ground in residential streets. These range from concrete block to elaborate Gothic designs, really interesting.

Then there are the "Alpine" type houses with loads of dark wood and huge balconies and rooves that look like something out of Heidi. I love these houses! I couldn't find a really good picture but I couldn't be bothered to keep searching the estate agent websites.

There are also modern new builds, but these are usually in newly-developed areas, lots of modern looking flats, and boring concrete box type high rises but these are few and far between. Possibly they have more in inner city areas but I only live in a small city.

Common features of German houses/differences to UK:

Flats tend to be really spacious and not at all considered lesser to houses. If there's any kind of "level" at all, it's for an "Einfamilienhaus" (one family house) over a "Mehrfamilienhaus" or "Doppelhaus" - ie, a detached house rather than a flat or semi-detached. But it's not taken that seriously and nobody would look down on you for not having a detached house, it's just sort of seen as more desirable to have one. Granny annexes are really common, and lots of people rent them out to students while their parents are young, and only when their parents get really old and frail, or one dies, will they move them in there.

There is no "housing ladder" as such. There are huge financial penalties if you sell a house within 10 years of buying it, so unless you plan to live somewhere more than 10 years, it's not financially viable to buy at all. Most people first buy when they have a youngish family, or (if they're very lucky) before starting a family, and stay in the same house until they become too old and frail. At which point they move to an old people's home (which are lovely) or to live in a child's Granny annexe. It's not common for people to move every few years or start with a smaller house and trade up. Rights for tenants are extremely good, to the point that you can't evict someone if you're selling up, so you can buy a house with sitting tenants in, something that often catches out foreigners! As people live in the same house for 30, 40, 50+ years, it's common to buy a plot of land and build a house, or buy an outdated husk that needs completely gutting and redoing. It would be very rare to move into a house that is totally ready to live in. Old houses ("Altbau") are desirable if you like that sort of thing, although can be more complicated to renovate.

Even for renting, people generally take fittings such as the light fittings, curtain rails, and the entire fitted kitchen with them to their new flat. I find this absolutely bonkers (surely the cabinets don't fit?) apparently it's because kitchens are considered very personal and might have absorbed cooking smells Confused about 30-40% of the time, the previous tenant will want to leave the kitchen in situ, but they then have to persuade the new tenant to buy the kitchen off them, for whatever price they deem reasonable. If the new tenant refuses, the old tenant has to dispose of the kitchen before they leave. You often see kitchens for sale (including the sink, counters, extractor fan etc) on ebay Kleinanzeigen or Facebook marketplace. Light fittings aren't always wired up correctly - in our current flat, the cable in earth colours is live and I think the brown one acts as earth, so somebody made a mistake. Unlike the UK, when the flat part pointing up always means on, there is no consistency in lightswitches, they can be either way up, so it can be a bit hazardous trying to fit light fittings when you first move in and can't tell whether the light is switched on or not.

Metal shutters (Rolladen) are extremely common. We have them on one side of our building but not the other side. Many people these days have automatic/electric ones but ours are just controlled using tapes/cords. They are very useful for keeping the sun out during hot summers which prevents the house from getting too hot. As a consequence it's hard to buy curtains which actually block light, most curtains here are really thin and a lot are actually just gauze, like you'd think of as net curtains in the UK. I bought our light-blocking curtains from Ikea but it's hard to find them, and expensive, and you can't buy curtain liners - I'd have to probably find someone who can sew and get them made up.

Another thing it's hard to find is double sized mattresses and duvets and duvet sets. People here typically have a single mattress each which they put side by side on a 180x200 bed frame. This is because it's considered very important to have the correct "Lattenrost" which is basically the slats that go under the mattress. Imagine our surprise when we bought beds here, to discover they don't come with anything to support the mattress - no slats at all. Just an empty bed frame. What you are supposed to do is buy these Lattenrost, which have no name in English, these are sturdy contraptions that slot into the bed under where the mattress goes in order to lay your mattress on. They have various combinations of sprung bits, tensioned wood, plastic torture devices, head raising parts etc and cost an eye watering amount of money. So most people buy an individual one for each person in the couple in order to get the best type, and then you purchase your mattress according to the softness already provided by the Lattenrost and your own comfort level. Which means 2x single mattresses. You can then buy a little bridge to put in the middle, if the gap bothers you. And most people use a king sized sheet over the top, but then have two separate duvets with two separate duvet covers. Again I just buy all of ours from Ikea, because I can't be arsed with the whole separate thing.

There is often a plug socket directly below the light switch, especially in older buildings without a lot of sockets. This is to plug the hoover into. Electric sockets are normal in the bathroom, and our lightswitches are inside the bathrooms, but there are good electrical safety codes so anything unless it's really out of date will have an extremely fast tripping switch for the bathroom, which is supposed to prevent any accidental electrocution due to water contamination. I think we might be overcautious about this in the UK. I remember my physics teacher saying that if we turned on a light switch with wet hands, the current would jump through the plastic to our wet skin. It has never happened to anyone I've heard of. Maybe English lightswitches are particularly thin.

Fitted carpets are really rare - sometimes you find them in bedrooms. Never in main rooms of the house, it's considered dirty. And nobody wears their shoes in the house, not even visitors, tradesmen tend to, if they're doing something messy. They get even more squeamish about shoes on beds. When I was in hospital having DS2, I had to bring flip flops to wear so that my bare feet could not touch both the floor and bed, as this would be contaminating.

Balconies are fairly common, even in normal houses but definitely in flats. Most flats also have a storage space in the cellar for each house, and a laundry room in the cellar is common as well. We have a bike room in ours instead. Lifts can seem quite outdated - I was nervous of ours at first, as the outer door isn't automatic, it is an actual heavy door that you pull or push open. But the inside of the lift is fine, and I'm used to it now. Some are really tiny, you couldn't fit a wheelchair inside and some are on alternate half-floors with the houses, which makes me wonder who they were originally designed for. It's also common in multi-family houses, whether that's a block of flats or a 3-4 storey child's drawing house, for one of the flats to be a doctor's surgery, dental surgery or some kind of therapy practice. So when you go along to the doctor it's often just an ordinary flat from the outside until you go in through the door, I always find this really bizarre! And living with that dentist smell in the corridors would make me so nervous :o On the plus side, IME noise proofing is often done incredibly well and you aren't bothered by your neighbours. It's common to have communal outdoor drying space, space for children to play as well.

Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
Houses in other countries (inspired by what baffles you about other countries)
BertieBotts · 04/02/2021 20:53

Oh, and there are often a couple of common rules for rented houses which are all set out in the contract.

Quiet times - generally all Sundays, any public holidays and between 11pm - 7am (except on New Year's Eve) and often a midday pause of about 1-3pm are considered "quiet time" and it is strictly forbidden to do any DIY, play instruments, play loud music, and so on. Children's noise is usually exempt from this as it's recognised it's not really controllable, as long as it's not excessive. Usually the penalty for this will be an angry neighbour coming to complain at you, but you can actually call the police if somebody is consistently breaking it.

"Luften" - it is usually compulsory to air out your house for at least 5 minutes twice a day by setting all of the windows in the house into tilt mode (tilt and turn windows are the norm) every single day of the year, even in mid winter. We don't actually do this but you can be held liable for mould that occurs as a consequence of not doing it.

Separating recycling - there is an entire doctrine about this and it's so complicated that children learn it at school.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 04/02/2021 21:06

@BertieBotts what do you have to do with your recycling? Ours seemed pretty straight forward... Yellow bag for metal and plastic, bin for paper and cardboard and food recycling. Plus the stuff you returned to the shop, and glass banks.

BertieBotts · 04/02/2021 21:32

I suppose it's not that bad, we do the same, except it's red for metal and plastic here. It just seems so complicated and occasionally you get an item that can't seem to go anywhere and it just ends up getting shoved in our cellar forever.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 04/02/2021 21:33

I felt that way about the tetrapack milk cartons and had to ask a neighbour.

redcandlelight · 04/02/2021 21:36

another one for the netherlands: in cities often there are no individual bins or refuse collection. you take your refuge sack to an underground container in the street.

recycling goes to containers in the neighbourhood (a kids job usually)

reluctantbrit · 04/02/2021 21:40

@BertieBotts I am now 20 years in the UK and I still buy my pillows and bedding in Germany. I hate a king size duvet, give me two single all the way. And I never ever will put away my 80x80 pillow.

Most things you find strange is what I miss and would love to have here.

BertieBotts · 04/02/2021 22:05

Yes. There is nothing like familiarity!

Natsku · 04/02/2021 22:07

Detached houses don't get recycling bins here, its only housing company places like blocks of flats or terraces that get a bunch of different bins to share, so we have to take our recycling to the big bins that are dotted about - have paper, glass, and metal on my estate but cardboard I have to take a kilometre away and the nearest plastic recycling is at the supermarket a few kilometres away. Quite annoying!

Natsku · 04/02/2021 22:08

I definitely prefer the two single duvets, thought it was weird at first but could not go back now. My bedroom is too cold for me so I have two single duvets while my OH, who is a human radiator, sweats under one.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 04/02/2021 22:11

One thing I miss now we are back in the UK is the bottle deposits. Something quite satisfying about being paid to recycle (even though you weren't really, as you paid for the bottles...)

alienspiderbee · 04/02/2021 22:12

We have a double duvet each :-)

Natsku · 04/02/2021 22:15

Oo yeah bottle deposits feel like free money even though you paid it already. I sometimes hand DD a bag full of empties in lieu of pocket money.