Mother -daughter terf v transgender defender

[Happylittlethoughts]

I know there is no answer here. I just feel very sad . On the topic of Biden being a good move for the USA, I commented "Unless you are a woman- or mensrtruator"
Well my daughter and I clash over TERF - versus Transgender defender. She stormed out and I feel very sad . We are very close except for this issue so I guess it jars a bit more . I feel horrified she will let Women's Rights be eroded this way. I guess its just a no go area, but I feel despised in that moment for stating my view.

The transition process it incredibly difficult and no one puts themselves through that without really truly believing they will be happier as the other gender. No one does that on a whim to be able to access women’s spaces.

FGS!

The VAST majority of trans women do absolutely nothing to "transition" beyond changing their clothes/name/pronouns - and sometimes not even that on a regular basis! And still people like you persist with the myth that most have had surgery, hormones etc. And I couldn't give a shit about sharing a changing room with an actual, real lesbian. Sharing with one equipped with a "Lady Dick" is another matter...

The transition process it incredibly difficult and no one puts themselves through that without really truly believing they will be happier as the other gender. No one does that on a whim to be able to access women’s spaces.
Eddie Izzard transitioned recently. He has made absolutely no changes to his body, his hormones, his name. All he has done is announced that he is now she. He sees himself as a lesbian.
Should women all be happy to accept him in the shower next to us at the gym?

"Transition" often doesn't mean very much at all.
When it meant something, I was a lot more willing to accept a transitioned transexual woman into women's spaces because boundaries remained in place. They couldn't demand access to a women's refuge or a rape crisis centre, I had the right to request a female practitioner for intimate examinations. Now they are demanding the right to carry out intimate care on women claiming that we are transphobic if we refuse.

I think it's pretty normal for young women to believe they don't need feminism, because to do so would seem to mean the adoption of a victim mentality.

What bright, positive, confident, outward and forward-looking young woman (or one who wishes she were those things), wants to start her adult life by focusing on negatives, on limitations?

Let her fly, slog it out in the world for a few years and gain some life experience. She might start to spot some little inequalities that are not overcome by merit and fairness. Perhaps experience, or have friends who have experienced incidents, that begin to suggest some value in or argument for feminism.

I don't think the reality of inequality, of systematic vulnerability based on sex, really hits home until parenthood strikes, for many, many people.

@lottiegarbanzo

I think it's pretty normal for young women to believe they don't need feminism, because to do so would seem to mean the adoption of a victim mentality.

What bright, positive, confident, outward and forward-looking young woman (or one who wishes she were those things), wants to start her adult life by focusing on negatives, on limitations?

Let her fly, slog it out in the world for a few years and gain some life experience. She might start to spot some little inequalities that are not overcome by merit and fairness. Perhaps experience, or have friends who have experienced incidents, that begin to suggest some value in or argument for feminism.

I don't think the reality of inequality, of systematic vulnerability based on sex, really hits home until parenthood strikes, for many, many people.

This was exactly my experience

And on the positive side, if she's had an upbringing that has allowed her to feel confident, bright, positive, personable and ready to grasp the world with both hands and shape it to her will, you've done a great job.

If she can take all her belief in her own powers and use that to make her mark in the world, she will be doing a good thing, helping build a reality in which women really can do and achieve whatever they wish. Her over-all impact and that of her generation will be positive.

If and when they do come across anyone seeking to subvert their legitimate achievements for unfair gain, they will notice.