If you're vegetarian are you bothered by any of these?

[Knitwit99]

I don't eat meat but I do eat animal in other things so I don't count myself as vegetarian. If I can easily avoid meat I do, I would pick the veggie Percy Pigs if they were right beside the gelatine ones, but if someone offered me a Percy Pig I would just eat it without bothering to check. That tiny amount of gelatine would not bother me at all.

DS14 is vegetarian and the opposite extreme.

If you consider yourself to be vegetarian do you eat-

Non-vegetarian marshmallows and sweets containing gelatine

Chips from the chip shop cooked in beef fat

Deep fried food eg mozzarella sticks that are fried in the same vegetable oil as meat products like chicken nuggets

A veggie pie cooked on the same tray as a meat pie

A veggie pie that has been cooked in the oven underneath a meat pie on a metal baking tray

A veggie pie that has been anywhere in the same oven as a meat pie

A veggie pie that has been carried home in the same shopping bag as a meat pie (each pie cold and wrapped in a separate paper bag)

I've had mixed responses from people irl. One lifelong vegetarian said he doesn't care if a chip shop cooks its chips in beef fat or not because any animal dna has been fried into oblivion. I was really surprised by that.

Another who used to have a massive bag of haribo in her drawer at work, she figured the animals were dead anyway so she might as well save their gelatine from going to waste.

DS will absolutely not eat anything with any animal by-product in and ties himself in knots trying to avoid any meat being anywhere near his veg. Eating out is difficult because he can't be sure his vegetarian food hasn't been cooked right beside meat.

To my mind a small splash of animal fat on my food is not going to matter but I guess to him it really matters. I'm curious about where other people are on the spectrum.

This is not about me trying to persuade him to think differently, I'm just genuinely curious. I do also think he gives himself a whole lot more stress than he needs to but maybe not. I respect his choices (mostly, I think the chances of meat juice dripping through a solid metal tray onto his food are pretty low and don't have much patience with that one)

You'll get a range of answers, of course. We all draw our line in a different place.

Me, I've been vegetarian for over 30 years, since being a child. I'd not knowingly ingest any dead animal. So no gelatine.
I'd eat a pie cooked in an oven at the same time as a meat pie, ut the meat would be on the bottom so no splashes or drips.

No to the beefy chips, no to the things cooked in oil that have cooked meaty or fishy things.

I don't wear leather. But in not vegan and I DO eat dairy, honey, eggs.

When cooking, I'd not stir my food with a meaty spoon, but I do use the same utensils in general - they're just washed very well between uses.

DD is a veggie. She won't eat anything with gelatine in it so marshmallows are a no.
She will eat food that's been in the oven with meat, but this really happens as we mostly eat the same things, if she's having nuggets it's because we are having a curry which she won't like.
We don't cook with beef fat, everything is in olive or vegetable oil so that's not an issue. I was under the impression that chip shops use vegetable oil for frying their chips, ours does, so there's no issue there for us either.
She's only 8, but she is quite clear in her feelings so far about her choices.

I’m veggie and align more with you

Vegan so I eat nothing from animals. If I accidently do on a rare occasion I don't beat myself up though. But if there was only one chip shop open and it used animal fat I would go without

I was under the impression that chip shops use vegetable oil for frying their chips

Nope, most maybe but certainly not all !

For the first years of my vegetarianism, I was like your DS. It’s an animal protect, animals had to be harmed for it to be produced, no different to any kind of meat. If gelatine is a byproduct and the animal died anyway then surely it’s fine to eat offal, because the animal died anyway to make steaks and chops?

In latter years, I did become more lax with things like gelatine, meat stock etc and ultimately it led me to abandon vegetarianism altogether.

The only 2 that I would find acceptable are the bottom 2. IF the veggie pie in your example was on the shelf ABOVE the meat pie, that would be ok too, as there's no risk of meat dropping on to it, but not the other way around.
I would also expect every single thing to be washed every time. So even a baking tray that held ready made frozen or chilled pies in foil trays would need to be washed before I would be happy to use it, after meat/fish.

If you consider yourself to be vegetarian do you eat-

Non-vegetarian marshmallows and sweets containing gelatine no don't eat these

Chips from the chip shop cooked in beef fat I always ask what the fat is and wouldn't eat from animal fat

Deep fried food eg mozzarella sticks that are fried in the same vegetable oil as meat products like chicken nuggets No I use separate frying pans

A veggie pie cooked on the same tray as a meat pie No, I use separate trays

A veggie pie that has been cooked in the oven underneath a meat pie on a metal baking tray not underneath but fine above

A veggie pie that has been anywhere in the same oven as a meat pie I'm fine with that, I would never get my tea if I had to wait until the oven was free!

A veggie pie that has been carried home in the same shopping bag as a meat pie (each pie cold and wrapped in a separate paper bag) *I'm fine with that, DH buys us all pies from a particular shop two Saturday's a month when he goes in. I'm not missing out on my Cheese and onion!!

The only 2 I’m ok with are the bottom 2. Sometimes DH and I will cook pies on the same banking tray BUT they are separated by a wall of tin foil on the tray

I don’t know any vegetarians or vegans who would be upset at having their food cooked with the same utensils as meat or cooked in the same oven, though. Most would avoid food cooked in the same oil or on the same baking tray wherever possible, but everyone I know is pretty pragmatic and would eat something that had accidentally been “contaminated” with animal products rather than ruin a dinner party by insisting they couldn’t eat the food because their food had touched meat.

I'm fairly pragmatic on the whole.
I don't love the way tallow coats my tongue though.
I go to a chip shop that uses veg oil.

What I tend to do is mention to folk eg if they're not veggie or not halal so they can choose.
I then don't judge either way.
I remember being a lot more rigid as a newly vegetarian teen.

I’m not exactly like you but definitely more similar to you than your daughter and the other 2 vegetarians I’m close to are exactly the same

I remember being a lot more rigid as a newly vegetarian teen

I suspect this is what it is really, hopefully he'll relax a bit over time. Pragmatic is not a word that describes him, he's all about the theory and being 100% correct at all times.

I eat sweets/marshmallow containing geletine.
I wouldn't touch chips cooked in animal fat or the mozzarella sticks example, or veg pies cooked in same oven as meat pies ( taste and smell can mix)
Pies carried home in separate paper bags would be fine in theory so long as wasn't contaminated with the grease from the meat pie however I always feel a bit ick eating non meat pies from bakeries that sell meat pie as I worry a little bout how they've been handled.
It's the taste I dislike rather than for any ethical reasons that I refrain from eating meat.

I’m vegan, was previously vegetarian but my responses haven’t changed since then on these - no to gelatine, beef fat and deep frying with meat but all of the pie examples are likely fine. When I was vegetarian my rule was not eating anything an animal had to die for hence no gelatine. Now I don’t eat anything from animals but as long as the pies in your example aren’t dripping gravy on each other I don’t see a problem!

Veggie here and wouldn’t eat anything on your list apart, maybe from separately wrapped pies in the same bag. I don’t look into whether cheese used in food is suitable for vegetarians - so that’s where my line is.

I'm veggie (tho currently doing Veganuary) and won't eat anything containing gelatine, meat stock, cooked in animal fat or cooked in the same oil as meat/fish.
I don't want the same utensils used on my food that have been used for meat.
I am ok with my veggie pie being cooked in the same oven as a meat one and with said pies coming home in the same bag.
I don't wear leather.
I used to have a friend who was very vocal about being vegetarian and how disgusting meat was yet would happily eat sweets with gelatine in and cheese made with animal rennet which I found somewhat contradictory.....

For me it's about not adding to the demand for animal products. So I won't eat things with animal products in (eg gelatine sweets) but I won't demand my food is cooked on a separate tray to meat that someone else has already chosen to eat.

I won’t eat sweets containing gelatine or chips cooked in beef fat, but none of the others would bother me from a moral point of view. I think not eating a vegetarian pie because it’s been carried in the same bag as a meat pie is a bit ridiculous, to be honest.

My non meat eating (and I am pretty much vegan) is almost entirely about preventing the suffering of animals. A pie being cooked on the same baking sheet as a meat pie is not causing any harm to an animal because the meat pie is already there and being cooked. Likewise the oil, I’d rather places friend their veggie things separately but to be honest it doesn’t bother be that much. I’m not causing any harm to an animal and they don’t ‘contain’ animal products. My sister will eat dairy and eggs from a supermarket (which I don’t do) but won’t eat chips from KFC because they’re fried in the same oil as the chicken is. Everyone has their own rules about what is acceptable!

My partner is veggie. He wouldn't care about the examples you cite above - as long as he isn't eating actual meat he doesn't worry too much. I personally find this odd - its like veggie but not - but each to their own I guess.

I’ve been vegetarian since I was 20, for 14 years now. I’m more like you. I won’t eat sweets if I know they contain gelatin but I am not hugely bothered if I’ve eaten one and later find out it contained gelatin. I cook meat for my family, use the same utensils. Will sometimes eat a slice of pizza that I’ve taken the pepperoni off. I’ve had meat eaters tell me off for stuff like this and say I’m not a proper vegetarian. I am not at all preachy and very much each to their own so it’s irritating being told I’m not doing it ‘right’. As long as I don’t eat any actual meat I’m pretty relaxed.

I remember fil hurling a hot frying pan my way to cook my own bloody egg after refusing one he had cooked bacon alongside ..
Don't buy new leather but have second hand items. Don't eat anything cooked in animal fat.. Don't eat sweets with gelatin in. Not so rigid with dc if they have been given sweets by non family member..
Eat eggs from a friend's hens. And honey from farm shops as a treat (££).

I'm not vegetarian but DS1 (16) is pescetarian so I'll answer for him.

Non-vegetarian marshmallows and sweets containing gelatine No. Although a shop near here sells marshmallows made with fish based gelatine so he will eat those.

Chips from the chip shop cooked in beef fat not knowingly. I know our local chippy cooks them separately. KFC don't, despite having a vegan burger on the menu

Deep fried food eg mozzarella sticks that are fried in the same vegetable oil as meat products like chicken nuggets Nope

A veggie pie cooked on the same tray as a meat pie As long as the pies don't touch, and are in their little foil tins then yes.

A veggie pie that has been cooked in the oven underneath a meat pie on a metal baking tray No. Likewise his pizza goes above the meat one.

A veggie pie that has been anywhere in the same oven as a meat pie. Yes provided they aren't in contact. I'm not paying to use both ovens when everything fits in one !

A veggie pie that has been carried home in the same shopping bag as a meat pie (each pie cold and wrapped in a separate paper bag) Yes.

According to my family this makes him a vegan because vegetarians only avoid meat not other dead animal products .