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If Mull of Kintyre was a Xmas no 1, how come it never gets played at Xmas?

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ManWithARash · 28/12/2020 14:48

or am I just listening to the wrong stations?
I've only just discovered that it was number one in Xmas 1977, I think.

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Phlip · 31/12/2020 19:47

I was a teenager in 1977. We had juke boxes in those days. Mull of Kintyre was the most appalling dirge ever, I loathedit with a passion.

RancidOldHag · 31/12/2020 19:52

No one plays Bohemian Rhapsody as an Xmas song, and that was Christmas No1 twice

AlecTrevelyan006 · 31/12/2020 20:04

McCartney is great

Mull of Kintyre is awful

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deepbluesea18 · 31/12/2020 20:05

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

You think George had the best voice? LOL! I’ve read a lot of rubbish about George over the past few years (a lot of it on Mumsnet, where people are impressed with his Indian influences), but I’ve never heard anyone - ever - try to claim that.

In the early days, John and Paul had to give George the easiest songs to sing because he only had a range of about three notes. He did one solo tour in America in 1974 which was a complete disaster because his voice gave out after the first concert.

George surrounded himself with people who enjoyed being around an ex-Beatle. Most of them were more talented than him. For someone so bitter about his time with the Beatles, he sure as shit liked to bask in the attention from people like Eric Idle and Bob Dylan.

Someone further up the thread said that John was a class traitor, but actually that was George. He rejected his background completely and said he felt like he’d been born in India - which was pretentious horseshit, but that was George. He was also a serial adulterer, who cheated on both his wives endlessly.

I understand that it’s fashionable to say that George was the underrated talent in the Beatles, but the truth is, George was lucky to be in a band with John and Paul, who were both touched by God. They were geniuses, where George was in truth a bit of a plodder. He knew it too, and resented Paul until his dying day.

deepbluesea18 · 31/12/2020 20:20

By the way, George could only dream of writing songs like Mull of Kintyre and Silly Love Songs. He just didn’t have the musicality to do it.

NewspaperTaxis · 02/01/2021 00:15

I love all the vitriol going on here, it's like days gone by.

Macca's voice isn't up to much at all these days, hasn't been since Driving Rain over 10 years ago. Sometimes he can get by - Rinse the Raindrops is a great rocker off that album. Now he tends to double track to bolster it. But often his songs are unplayable for that very reason - his voice is gone - and it's a shame cos I think he still writes well. There are some real gems in there but now I'd suggest he can only go Top 10 if he gets another to sing them. I mean, that Kanye West - Rihanna song is a good example, a total smash and I know it's a collaboration but it sounds like a Macca song to me.

George was given dodgy songs early on cos he was the young guy and not writing himself. His All Things Must Pass album is brilliant, esp the title track. But his voice was more Richard Ashcroft and his songs went that way, while John and Paul were more Blur/Oasis, it's just different. I woudldn't like to say about Ringo but he had something.

Harrison's voice gave out on tour cos he was on heroin.

user1471565182 · 02/01/2021 06:03

Nonsense. George was twice the songwriter and had a much better solo back catalogue.

My Sweet Lord, Something, While my Guitar Gently Weeps and Here comes the sun especially. Also ten times the musician of Paul.

midnightstar66 · 02/01/2021 06:36

It's not Christmassy, it's rather dull and the majority of the Uk under a certain age will never have heard of the song or the mull of kintyre. Not a target audience song.

midnightstar66 · 02/01/2021 06:48

I think stop the cavalry sounds Christmassy. All parrumpy and jingly and mentions the word Christmas. (No idea of any of the other words actually apart from the Christmas line so no clue if the real meaning - will pay attention next time). Was it released around Xmas time?

We used to sing mull of kintyre at school in the mid -late 80's so it wasn't totally left behind in its decade.

BestIsWest · 02/01/2021 08:22

Why was it such a huge hit though? I admit I loved it at the time and bought the single, as millions of us did but it’s never played at all now (regardless of whether it’s Christmas or not, I can’t recall hearing it on Radio 2 for example in years and they play plenty of 70s stuff).
Everyone says it’s a dirge but it’s the fourth biggest selling single.
Listening now I don’t understand why it was such a hit.

deepbluesea18 · 02/01/2021 11:11

@NewspaperTaxis

No, John and Paul gave George easy songs to sing because he was only capable of singing a few notes. He was a very poor vocalist.

Yes, his voice gave out because of excessive drug use on his American tour (it was cocaine, not heroin) - or at least that’s what he said. The truth was a bit harder to admit.

George had a lot of help with all his songs. The songs that anyone has ever heard of were written when he was in the Beatles, and Paul’s musical fingerprints are all over them. Something would be an utter dirge without Paul’s bassline, which is the most musical part of the song.

All Things Must Pass was produced by Phil Spector. What would it have sounded like without his wall of sound? Spector is an extremely unpleasant individual, but he was also one of the best producers in the industry - an auteur. He was capable of making the worst dirge in the world sound musical. Why do you think George never made another album to equal that one? Let’s be honest, everything he wrote after that was unlistenable bilge.

McCartney had one of the best voices in rock history. That’s well documented - his vocal range spanned over four octaves. Anyone who says he wasn’t a great singer doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and anyone who says that George was a better singer is deluded.

@user1471565182

You are so embarrassingly unknowledgeable that you’re really not worth engaging with. Try doing a bit of research before publishing such a daft comment on the internet.

deepbluesea18 · 02/01/2021 11:34

As for George’s pontificating and lecturing about the Lord and Hare Krishna, he’d have done well to listen to what he preached.

He was a sour, bitter man - jealous of Paul until his dying day. Partly because Paul was a genius and he wasn’t, but mostly because he coveted John’s attention, but John loved Paul more. When the Beatles broke up, George tried to persuade John to form another group, and he pestered him to do this until they had a big falling out in 1974 (after George’s disastrous tour). John was not interested in working with George, not without Paul, and this was a bitter, bitter pill for George to swallow.

He never got over it.

deepbluesea18 · 02/01/2021 15:46

Hence his sour grapes. For the rest of his life.

NewspaperTaxis · 03/01/2021 15:14

Well, I agree deepbluesea18 it doesn't pay to be bitter then... ;)

I'm okay with what you say. I wouldn't claim Harrison was a great vocalist and he admitted as much re his first draft of While My Guitar Gentled Weeps. Still, he had a quite serviceable voice and let's not forget his role as 'the invisible vocalist' on so many Beatle hits, that is, the backing harmonies on stuff like This Boy... and 'when I was younger' backing stuff on Lennon's Help!

I'll also agree with Harrison getting help (no pun intended) on his songs but then Macca and Lennon helped each other a fair bit, they were a musical partnership and finished each other's songs off often. They didn't pitch in with Harrisongs so much as Macca later admitted. When they did, it worked well. Again, ironically, it was Macca who came up with the great guitar solo on Taxman, plus the great guitar riff later nicked by The Jam for Start. Macca did the keyboard opener to While My Guitar that kicks it off so well, and the great bass line on Something.

Macca's voice gave out on his Tripping the Light Fantastic tour, he overdid it. That can happen, and Harrison didn't practice much. In his autobiography he didn't mention Lennon once, which piqued his old mate. As for All Things... I think he put his eggs in one basket with that one but you may as well say Lennon's Imagine album was all down to Speckor because his later albums didn't do so well.

Not sure why Harrison would be jealous of Macca, who had little to do with Lennon for the entire 70s, unlike Harrison.

deepbluesea18 · 03/01/2021 20:24

George was 14 when he met John. John was 17. George was a little boy in comparison. He looked up to John, and that was always their dynamic.

Paul and George were only a year apart, and they were at school together. George saw Paul as an equal, so it was very hard for him to accept that Paul was a genius in comparison to himself. He was able to accept that John was a genius, but with Paul it was just too bitter a pill to swallow.

George wanted to be John’s writing partner, but John wasn’t interested in working with him. John loved George, but he saw him as a kid, not an equal. And he definitely didn’t rate him as either a songwriter or a musician.

John and Paul had massive egos, but so did George. He was surrounded by people who told him how wonderful he was, and he struggled to accept himself as a lesser talent. I suppose he’d be very happy now with the revisionism that puts him on a pedestal, but that’s what it is - revisionism. The truth is that George wrote four memorable songs, with a lot of help, mostly from Paul. John and Paul wrote the songbook of all time - it doesn’t compare.

John was besotted with Paul until his dying day. He may have been on ‘the boat called Yoko’, but that’s only because he got off ‘the boat called Paul’ when he thought that Paul was about to leave him for Linda. Because of his abandonment issues, he had to be the one to leave first.

John’s diaries from the 1970s were all about Paul. Many of the songs he wrote were written to Paul - he was obsessed. George had been in the middle of that for years and felt pushed out. When your hero rejects you (and thinks you’re a rubbish musician, even though everyone else says you’re great), it hurts. George’s method of coping was to take it out on Paul.

user1471565182 · 04/01/2021 10:21

Getting a bit upset over the beatles there mate.

Callipygion · 04/01/2021 12:04

They don’t sound “upset” to me.

NewspaperTaxis · 04/01/2021 23:03

Psssst... I think we're two blokes. Psssst 2: I am.

On a lighter note the 1970s hit Ho Ho Ho It's Magic by Pilot is never counted as a Xmas song either....

deepbluesea18 · 04/01/2021 23:15

@NewspaperTaxis

You should watch this documentary series to find out more about Lennon and McCartney - why they broke up and how they each coped without the other in the 1970’s. It’s brilliant:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_AILqCAk1cg

Callipygion · 05/01/2021 15:48

I’ve just watched the first part of that documentary - others, be warned it’s 2.5 hours long! It was brilliant, thanks for the link deepbluesea18, I will watch the second part later!

deepbluesea18 · 05/01/2021 16:44

There are five parts in total, Callipygion. The last three are probably the most relevant to this thread.

I feel so deeply sorry for Paul. He went through hell because he couldn’t give John what John needed - which was all of him. And how could he begin to explain that in a world where everyone resented him for being alive when John was dead?

The fact that he hasn’t cracked up is nothing short of a miracle. John was right - he really is extraordinary.

The other parts are here, by the way:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mpbX4SaY0

m.youtube.com/watch?v=jumHKLlsq_U

m.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HpXYgsdvk

m.youtube.com/watch?v=rfzaEw7tGgk

Callipygion · 05/01/2021 20:35

I’ve watched 3 now, absolutely riveting, I can’t stop myself! I’ll have to keep the others for tomorrow though. Thanks so much for pointing me in their direction! I’m amazed I haven’t found them before, I’m a big Beatles fan 😁 and agree Paul is extraordinary.

woodhill · 05/01/2021 20:41

Yes I will be watching

NewspaperTaxis · 07/01/2021 00:41

Will check this out. Would say that Lennon had a point wanting out of The Beatles, it would have just carried on with diminishing returns. I mean according to both John and Paul it was the former who quit, and the latter reacting to the news like he'd seen a ghost. Macca later saying, we couldn't really ask John to stay, you'd feel such a wimp. If he wanted to go off on his own, so be it.

That said, Yoko herself commented how she'd noticed John had a sort of besotted way around Paul in the studio, the way he would speak to him sometimes in a pleading tone of voice, like a servile woman of the times. Perhaps he realised it and wanted out, sort of felt disgusted with the set-up.

Freetodowhatiwant · 07/01/2021 00:51

I have a really strong association with this song in that my parents had the single from
Father Christmas on the same Christmas Day I got my much longed for fisher price doll’s house. When I hear it I feel the same love and longing for that doll’s house. I was three that Christmas.

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