Is it legal to cut someone else’s hair without them knowing ?

[Lardlizard]

Is this an actual crime ?

@billy1966

I couldn’t agree more.

Shits like that grow up to be criminals. It doesnt matter that its dead hair or whatever, what a fucking logic. Yes op its an assault and needs reporting.
Bastard little dickhead.

@SweetPetrichor

It seems pretty excessive to call it assault. It’s hair, it’s dead, it’ll grow. Just cut it all to match and report the wee dick for bullying. It’s not something to be fuming about.

Fucking hell..i just can't.

It depends how old the kid is, but yes it is assault.

Its dead hair, so no big deal....jesus christ, unbelievable

Should the schools send out a nationwide advance warning to kids to " please wear hats as your hair is fair game to any scut with a scissors nearby".

Unbelievable, that anyone could excuse another child being attacked with a scissors.

What if the OP's child had pulled away and tried to defend herself and got a sissors into the face?????? I supporse that also would have been her fault too.

The bar is so low for some people.

A sissors is a weapon in the hands of the wrong person.

It seems pretty excessive to call it assault. It’s hair, it’s dead, it’ll grow. Just cut it all to match and report the wee dick for bullying. It’s not something to be fuming about

What the heck is wrong with you? If I decided to walk up to you and cut your hair off that would be ok would it? Ffs.

@SweetPetrichor and @LemonadeFromLemons out of curiosity where is your line? Someone feels your daughter up without her consent, but he is 14, so she should suck it up?
Your son has his head shoved in a toilet but it is done by his classmates, still fair game?

So you teach your children that small aggressive acts towards them are fine and shouldn't be taken too seriously? You do know that people who get into abusive relationships are usually there because they ignored the smaller things at the beginning?

It seems pretty excessive to call it assault

the Law calls it assault.

Annoying little shits like this grow up to be dangerous big shits. OP may have actually done him a massive favour by taking this further. It may just give him the jolt he needs.

I worked with a woman who had hr very long plait severed by men sat behind her on a bus. They were given cautions by the police and couldn't believe that they now had something on their police records.

If this happens to my DDs I will be getting the police involved.

For those who can't see why this is a criminal offense. Lets say that instead of cutting hair they'd cut the arm off an expensive rain coat - your coat. Criminal damage right? But it's just a coat, a second-hand coat now so not worth anything; you can buy another one. And hair does have value - you can sell it to wig makers. I've had someone offer to buy mine in the 90s because was waist length, golden-blonde and dead straight. They'd use it to add highlights to real hair extensions, only I wanted it too.

Some of the responses on this are astounding. I would have hit the roof if this happened to my child and I’m glad op is taking is as far as possible.

If someone cut your hair in the street or on the train would you just say “oh well thanks, you’ve saved me a trip to the hairdressers?” Like fuck you would this is no different. This boy has no right to lay his hands on anyone else with scissors and remove hair without consent of course it’s assault, who is anyone else to say that it’s not?...

I was bullied by a little shit at school, 30 years ago. Kicked, hit, spat on etc etc I was very shy - due to said bullies. School did nothing at all and this kid terrorised me and damn right my mother got involved - what parent would stand back and let their kid be bullied and do nothing? Not all kids are strong enough to fight back and it DOES NOT always make things better if makes them worse. I had an absolutely horrific school experience due to these horrible kids who had no consequences because school are so lax there is nothing they can do nothing it’s beyond a joke we have teenagers wandering about with scissors and worse, cutting bits of each other what’s next? Her daughter gets stabbed with said scissors?...at what point do we say enough is enough? These kids need to learn their actions have consequences!! Sick of hearing of poor kids killing themselves due to bullies and bullies getting away with all sorts because adults can’t/won’t stick up for children and punish these nasty little shits, generally their parents are nasty shits too. My main bully is now a little weasly little shit he’s not changed and he never will.

@LemonadeFromLemons

May I ask if it was your thirteen year old son who had done the cutting (please set aside that your son would never do such a thing) how would you feel about a criminal record for him?

I’m not saying don’t punish him, I’m questioning how well the punishment fits the crime.

I would think I hope he learns from this experience. I have three boys, I of course worry, but equally I would be furious if someone assaulted my daughter in that way.

I say this as someone who was sexually assaulted by a gang of boys at my school and it was brushed under the carpet. How much as females must be "put up with" because we don't want to affect the boys life. Perhaps if we worried more about our girls, our boys would learn to be respectful and decent human beings.

Least that's what I hope for my boys. If I found they had done this, they would be the first to punished. One on my stuck glue on a chair recently, on a unpopular girls chair, it was peer pressure and school could see that, but there is no chance I would let him away with excuses and I insisted the school also follow through. He was being a bully and I'm not raising bullies. Nothing had happened, he got caught before, but he was made to apologise Publicly and privately and he lost points at school and home. Missed play etc. We also spent a lot of time talking about bullying and respect. If he had damaged her clothing he would have bought her new clothes.

Children can be assholes, even good kids, but there are consequences.

@QuietlyExcited

Annoying little shits like this grow up to be dangerous big shits. OP may have actually done him a massive favour by taking this further. It may just give him the jolt he needs.

I don't know if I really believe this to be honest. But now I think back, I have a story to tell:

There was a boy behind me in RE who kept pulling on my hair (age 13). I told him to stop. The teacher told me off for talking so I told her why. She ignored it and told me, "I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT! NOW BE QUIET!"
The boy did it again. I turned round and told him to stop. Teacher bollocked ME. Again. I begged her to make him stop. She never spoke a word to him.
He did it every few minutes, each time ending in me getting told off by the Super religious Mrs M (who actually had the attitude of, God, husband, children then wife and we as women must do as god commands and obey our husbands. Yes she really did teach that crap!) and on the last time, when the bell had rang, he walked past and yanked my hair so hard my chair tipped back. I instinctively stood up and punched him so hard in the jaw he flew two feet straight into the lockers, causing a massive scene.

Fuck that felt good!

Of course I was sent to the headmaster and he was pretty good about it after I explained. Told me of course I should never hit anyone and must always tell a teacher blah blah. But on reflection, the fact that I HAD told a teacher. "Well I'm sure we can just leave it at that. No need for you to get in trouble now eh?"

That boy now? 25 years later, he's doing 15 years in prison for at least two drugging rapes with many more suspected.

Maybe there is a lesson in there somewhere. Maybe allowing 13 year old boys to assault girls IS something we need to address..

[quote LemonadeFromLemons]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

@Tiktaktoe

When did I ever say my views were specific to gender (yes I know the example by OP is a gendered one).

Did you know it’s possible for a child to be charged with Assault because and let’s do a female male example here for you; the ten year old female child (say a cousin to the victim) hits him on the arm causing a bruise with the tv remote because she wants to watch her programme not his.

I guess what I’m saying is I think the use of the law in both circumstances is extreme.[/quote]
You need to understand
The victim of a crime is not responsible for the severity of the punishment.
If you have a crime perpetrated against you, you report it. It's not your responsibility to worry whether it will be dealt with in a measured way.
This is a crime (defined as assault by law) and should be reported as such.

May I ask if it was your thirteen year old son who had done the cutting (please set aside that your son would never do such a thing) how would you feel about a criminal record for him

If my boy did that he would deserve what was coming to him.

You need to deal with this through the school. Contact them on Monday and push until they deal with it. Don't be fobbed off. They have a duty to protect your child whilst in their care. Remind them of this.
If you they don't handle this threaten to report the incident to Ofsted and the police.

At the end of the day these are children and the police should always be last resort. It is assault for sure but this is also a chance to change the direction of the offenders behaviour. I know you may feel not your responsibility and you need to protect your child. Which is right. However the police handling rarely works in the way that you would expect.
A school doing their job and the childs parents being informed maybe all that is needed in this case. Nothing is going to bring her hair back.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum you need to read the whole thread

If my child did that im obviously a shitty mum and couldnt raise my child properly so i hope the state can set the boundaries for him that i couldnt instill. Id be ashamed of myself rather than have the cheek to ask the parents to not report.

Can you post a pic op

that's great OP. and i agree your not wanting to comment now.

please, if possible let us know the outcome when all finished.

I thought it was assault. I’d definitely be kicking off with the school.

Hope DD ok x

@LemonadeFromLemons

Yes, technically Assault and I’m sorry it happened to your daughter. You of course can do as you would like regarding going to the police. Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man? I assume he’s thirteen and an ignorant little £@*#@ and no doubt will mature and look back on himself as such. Can you think of an alternative punishment you think suitable and ask the school to help you to get it?

I think it is proportionate that the boy is facing the potential consequence of a criminal record for assault, given that he made the choice to commit a criminal act of assault. Choices, actions, consequences. I think far too often children are enabled, and parents enable, their children to avoid the consequences of their actions, to their detriment, because they think that this constitutes an ongoing precedent, regardless of what choices and actions they go on to commit.

How would I feel if it were my child facing a criminal record at the age of 13, as a result of having wilfully assaulted another young child? Absolutely furious with my child. And I'd be doing nothing to help them evade any consequences, outside of doing everything within my power to get them to see how wrong their actions were, to genuinely regret their actions (and not because they got caught, and they might suffer some shit), to make recompense (paying out of their own money for a restorative haircut at the most expensive salon the victim wished to go to, and to apologise, to victim and to mother. And issuing the little sod with plastic safety scissors and telling him and his teacher that was all he was to have access to for the rest of the year.

[quote Tiktaktoe]**@SweetPetrichor* and @LemonadeFromLemons* out of curiosity where is your line? Someone feels your daughter up without her consent, but he is 14, so she should suck it up?
Your son has his head shoved in a toilet but it is done by his classmates, still fair game?

So you teach your children that small aggressive acts towards them are fine and shouldn't be taken too seriously? You do know that people who get into abusive relationships are usually there because they ignored the smaller things at the beginning?[/quote]
Anyone touching up anyone would be past the line. Shoving someone over, pushing their head down the toilet, or otherwise hurting them, also past the line. Cutting some hair...something which is dead and will regrow, not past a line of what I’d consider assault regardless of the law - I’d consider it unpleasant behaviour from a little shit, and I’d raise it with a teacher, and I’d be looking out for a pattern of behaviour that could become bullying.

If anything, this could be a good lesson in not being overly attached to your hair...the number of grown adults who cry when their hair is cut - by a professional- and doesn’t look how they want it is depressing. Or the stigma of losing hair due to illness. Hair is just hair. It’s dead shit on your head. Nothing more.

If anything, this could be a good lesson in not being overly attached to your hair...the number of grown adults who cry when their hair is cut - by a professional- and doesn’t look how they want it is depressing. Or the stigma of losing hair due to illness. Hair is just hair. It’s dead shit on your head. Nothing more.

That might be what it is to you. Which is fine. To others, it is very much more. If you cut a Maori child's hair, you'd be looking at a world of pain, because the head is tapu (sacred). As it is in many cultures.

You take your victim as you find them. This young person legally assaulted (you might not think it warrants the term assault, the law begs to differ) someone who feels otherwise, as does their parent. The law supports the victim's perception in this instance.

If this was one of my sons I’d be devastated. That he could act like this towards a peer. And that his disgusting behaviour has potentially given him a criminal record. Most devastated that id bought him up believing he could do that with no consequences.

I’d probably try and bargain and plead with the girls mother. Try and minimise because he’s my beloved son.

But he’d deserve the punishment and police involvement. 😥