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Is it legal to cut someone else’s hair without them knowing ?

231 replies

Lardlizard · 10/12/2020 14:12

Is this an actual crime ?

OP posts:
emilybrontescorsett · 12/12/2020 08:12

Well done for reporting this op. It's absolutely not acceptable in any way.

TweeBree · 12/12/2020 09:58

@Lardlizard

Yes but I’m not going it post anything else about it, as it’s a legal matter now But thanks for the advice, the police have taken it very seriously, and we will take this as far as possible But I’m not saying anything else now
Understood. Well done for standing up for your daughter. Flowers
Retiremental · 12/12/2020 10:08

@SeaMoonWave

Huge well done for standing up for your daughter and being a fantastic mum. Really shocking the school dismissed this!
Not shocking when you read the attitudes of some posters on this thread. Depressing that in 2020 girls are still supposed to put up with this shite.
billy1966 · 12/12/2020 10:11

Well done OP.
I am not surprised the police are taking it seriously.

The teacher is very poor.
I hope the school buck up.

LemonadeFromLemons · 12/12/2020 10:25

Yes, technically Assault and I’m sorry it happened to your daughter. You of course can do as you would like regarding going to the police. Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man? I assume he’s thirteen and an ignorant little £@*#@ and no doubt will mature and look back on himself as such. Can you think of an alternative punishment you think suitable and ask the school to help you to get it?

Kaliorphic · 12/12/2020 10:30

Well done op. I would have done the same.

Kaliorphic · 12/12/2020 10:32

Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man

He assaulted the ops daughter. Involving the police is entirely proportionate. Maybe it will help him reflect before doing something similar or worse next time.

Dogsaresomucheasier · 12/12/2020 10:38

I think, in general, the police should be involved far more often in these incidents in schools. As a teacher I might not have seen it happen, but presented with the evidence, I’d have sent the boy to be dealt with by SLT. By secondary any physical bullying is assault and there is an awful lot of it that isn’t dealt with effectively.

TweeBree · 12/12/2020 10:45

@LemonadeFromLemons

Yes, technically Assault and I’m sorry it happened to your daughter. You of course can do as you would like regarding going to the police. Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man? I assume he’s thirteen and an ignorant little £@*#@ and no doubt will mature and look back on himself as such. Can you think of an alternative punishment you think suitable and ask the school to help you to get it?
That's for the law/courts to decide. OP's job is to protect her daughter, which she's done by reporting the assault.
Retiremental · 12/12/2020 11:14

@LemonadeFromLemons

Yes, technically Assault and I’m sorry it happened to your daughter. You of course can do as you would like regarding going to the police. Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man? I assume he’s thirteen and an ignorant little £@*#@ and no doubt will mature and look back on himself as such. Can you think of an alternative punishment you think suitable and ask the school to help you to get it?
Yeah. Boys will be boys eh Hmm
ArtichokeAardvark · 12/12/2020 11:18

The police have enough to deal with. I'd say this is a matter for the school - go to the head if the teacher won't get involved.

LemonadeFromLemons · 12/12/2020 11:19

@Retiremental

That is absolutely not what I said.

Knittedfairies · 12/12/2020 11:21

For all those saying 'it's just hair', would your reaction be the same if someone walked up to you on the street and cut a chunk out of your hair? And would it make any difference if the perpetrator was only 13?

InterfectoremVulpes · 12/12/2020 11:29

@LemonadeFromLemons

Yes, technically Assault and I’m sorry it happened to your daughter. You of course can do as you would like regarding going to the police. Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man? I assume he’s thirteen and an ignorant little £@*#@ and no doubt will mature and look back on himself as such. Can you think of an alternative punishment you think suitable and ask the school to help you to get it?
Maybe the onus should be on these little gobshites thinking about the damage they will cause to their future lives before they act the cunt rather than making the victim responsible for it?
LemonadeFromLemons · 12/12/2020 11:40

May I ask if it was your thirteen year old son who had done the cutting (please set aside that your son would never do such a thing) how would you feel about a criminal record for him?

I’m not saying don’t punish him, I’m questioning how well the punishment fits the crime.

electronVolt · 12/12/2020 11:42

Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man

But surely that isn’t unreasonable. If I was an employer, I’d want to know who I was potentially taking on. It MIGHT be a positive thing, in that they could reflect clearly on it. Or they might be an unrepentant arsehole. Either way, there’s a reason we ask people to declare things like that. And covering for them by not reporting doesn’t help.

InterfectoremVulpes · 12/12/2020 11:46

@LemonadeFromLemons

May I ask if it was your thirteen year old son who had done the cutting (please set aside that your son would never do such a thing) how would you feel about a criminal record for him?

I’m not saying don’t punish him, I’m questioning how well the punishment fits the crime.

If my son did such a thing I'd be reading him the riot act and tell him that actions have consequences. If that means police involvement then that's what he will have to accept.
InterfectoremVulpes · 12/12/2020 11:47

@electronVolt

Does it seem proportionate to give the boy a criminal record for Assault which he will have to declare for any apprenticeship/job he applied for as a young man

But surely that isn’t unreasonable. If I was an employer, I’d want to know who I was potentially taking on. It MIGHT be a positive thing, in that they could reflect clearly on it. Or they might be an unrepentant arsehole. Either way, there’s a reason we ask people to declare things like that. And covering for them by not reporting doesn’t help.

Anyway, if its such a minor thing then surely the potential employer will understand once the full situation is explained, right?
minipie · 12/12/2020 12:33

surely the potential employer will understand once the full situation is explained

Mostly, there will never be a chance to explain. Job applications will be done online and if you tick a box asking “do you have a criminal record” or even “have you been cautioned by police”, your application will be automatically filtered out. There will be no chance to say “it’s because I cut a piece of someone’s hair when I was 13”.

InterfectoremVulpes · 12/12/2020 12:43

Oh well, all the more reason for parents and schools to properly deal with these types of incidents to try and prevent escalation to the police then 🤷‍♀️

Tiktaktoe · 12/12/2020 13:22

@LemonadeFromLemons it's no wonder men grow up thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want to women!
Angry

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 12/12/2020 13:53

[quote Tiktaktoe]@LemonadeFromLemons it's no wonder men grow up thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want to women!
Angry[/quote]
You're not kidding!
It's not the victim's responsibility to worry if the punishment is measured! They're the victim. That means they have no responsibility. Fuck's sake!

billy1966 · 12/12/2020 14:20

The teacher has failed both children.

If she had read him the riot act and marched him to the Principal's office and he had taken appropriate serious action for this, then indeed the police may have been avoided.

But the teacher wasn't interested and now there will be consequences.

That boy was an absolute pup of the highest order to touch the OP's daughter.

The school are a disgrace that it's teachers don't know the very basics about how to react to such a serious incident.

In my boys school that they attended, recently a 13 year old was send home for a WEEK for taking the phone of another boy and sending his mother a vulgar message.

His parents were called and he was frog marched out of the school.

Possibly an over reaction but it sent a clear message to new entrants to the school they have a low tolerance for poor behaviour.

Any decent school would expel a child for this and they would be correct IMO.

All children have abasic right to not have a hand laid on them in school.

LemonadeFromLemons · 12/12/2020 14:47

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

@Tiktaktoe

When did I ever say my views were specific to gender (yes I know the example by OP is a gendered one).

Did you know it’s possible for a child to be charged with Assault because and let’s do a female male example here for you; the ten year old female child (say a cousin to the victim) hits him on the arm causing a bruise with the tv remote because she wants to watch her programme not his.

I guess what I’m saying is I think the use of the law in both circumstances is extreme.

SweetPetrichor · 12/12/2020 14:48

It seems pretty excessive to call it assault. It’s hair, it’s dead, it’ll grow. Just cut it all to match and report the wee dick for bullying. It’s not something to be fuming about.