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Why is everyone referring to "Santa"

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WinWinnieTheWay · 08/12/2020 20:30

DH and I (from different UK countries and different social class) were both brought up with Father Christmas. Why are so many people calling FC "Santa" these days? Is it just the impact of American culture? Each to their own, but I don't like it.

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Galvantula · 08/12/2020 21:55

@SetPhasersTaeMalkie ♥️ that username, can picture the sketch in my head now Grin

WeeM · 08/12/2020 21:56

@reginafelangee

I'm Scottish.

The big man has always been called Santa Claus here.

To me Father Christmas is English.

Same here!
FrothyB · 08/12/2020 21:56

Christ people have a stick up their arse on here, particularly when someone from England mentions something which is unusual in England, or at least the region they grew up in, but is commonplace in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. Sometimes people may be being goady, other times it could be completely innocent, and yet is instantly jumped on with "England isn't the only part of the UK!".

He's Father Christmas to me, never had a nursery and I have a regional accent. It sounds "right" to me, because its what I've known since childhood. Santa on the other hand sounds somehow "wrong". Obviously this will be reversed depending on what you called him in childhood. It doesn't really matter, the same as Mum, Mam and Mom.

I think the question can be asked though, without it being seen as sinister, when a cultural shift occurs that seems to be changing a regions language occurs and where the influence has come from.

People get defensive because they feel it is attacking their version of normal, when in reality its questioning why another areas "normal" seems to be changing.

As for pointing the finger at it being an Americanism, thats simply because it seems the most likely cause. It's unlikely kids in Northants or Buckinghamshire are calling him Santa because people in Scotland do. Its more than likely because of all the movies and songs which have come from America and that is what they are exposed to.

If the kids in your area started calling him Ded Moroz or saying Boldog Karacsonyt instead of Happy Christmas, yet there were no large Russian or Hungarian influences or communities, would it be wrong then to question why this usage has become more commonplace in places it previously wasn't?

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SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 08/12/2020 21:56

[quote Galvantula]@SetPhasersTaeMalkie ♥️ that username, can picture the sketch in my head now Grin[/quote]
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ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 21:57

It’s santa or santy in Scotland.

CheetasOnFajitas · 08/12/2020 21:57

By the way, a small but important point:

Americans say SANTA Claus, with the stress on the “Santa” part. Similar to the way they say “ICE cream”

In Scotland we say “Santa CLAUS” with the stress on the “Claus”.

thelegohooverer · 08/12/2020 21:57

I find it odd that it’s Santy/Santa in Ireland but Dadaí na Nollaig in Irish. Can anyone tell me what he is called in Scots Gaelic?

I love Sion Corn!

NuniaBeeswax · 08/12/2020 21:57

"You can bleat on that Santa is used commonly in Scotland or Ireland or anywhere else. But you know really Santa is becoming more poplar because of America. ( because all those films and songs people quoted are American)."

And you can "bleat on" about Americanisms all you want but you're still talking a load of shit.

Therainisback · 08/12/2020 21:57

I couldn't give a fuck if they do. Seeing as they're wrong.Grin

SquigglePigs · 08/12/2020 21:58

I much prefer Father Christmas and long term I hope it's what sticks in my house but my only just turned 2 yr old DD has already picked up Santa from nursery and it features in a couple of her Christmas books. To be fair it's a lot easier for her to say!

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2020 21:59

Always called him Santa in our (SoCoDu) house.

Father Christmas sounds to me like something Tiny Tim or Julian from the famous five might say.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/12/2020 21:59

NRTFT
I tend to say FC, but isnt SC from St Nicholas which I understood to be the anglicised name of the saint that the SC story is based on?

yellowmaoampinball · 08/12/2020 21:59

Ooh thelegohooverer - Nadolig is welsh for Christmas. Looks quite similar to na Nollaig which I assume is Christmas in Irish?

Sherin18 · 08/12/2020 22:00

I say both

thelegohooverer · 08/12/2020 22:00

@Moonmelodies

Santa = female Saint, no?
Maybe it’s a clue to the fact that Santa is actually Mother Christmas, the embodiment of a lot of women’s work.
Hopeishere52 · 08/12/2020 22:01

I prefer Father Christmas...we are in the Midlands.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 08/12/2020 22:01

My parents are both Scottish and it's always been Father Christmas

Piglet89 · 08/12/2020 22:01

Santa/Father Christmas won’t even be coming to England next year anyway because:

A) he hates the big long vowel Surrey-ites and their ilk stick in their name for him (“Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatha Christmas”);
and
B) Brexit.

hadenoughnegativity · 08/12/2020 22:01

Think Father Christmas is an English thing mostly. The rest of the world know him as Santa Claus.
The tradition of Santa Claus comes from St Nicolas. So I would say Santa Claus is the most correct name. But each to their own.
Americans call football soccer. The Irish say mummy instead of mum. Not fair to criticise cultural differences.

mrsanflowerpot · 08/12/2020 22:03

Santa for me...Irish heritage

Smallsteps88 · 08/12/2020 22:04

I find it odd that it’s Santy/Santa in Ireland but Dadaí na Nollaig in Irish.

Also called San Nioclás

CheetasOnFajitas · 08/12/2020 22:04

@OhCrumbsWhereNow

My parents are both Scottish and it's always been Father Christmas
Are they from The Edinburgh New Town though @OhCrumbsWhereNow? Wink
BiBabbles · 08/12/2020 22:05

Here are some handy maps for you OP. This gives a handy explanation for the first one Grin

The second one misses out the replacement bus service and few other important ones, but covers the rest of Europe. There are a lot of these floating around.

Why is everyone referring to "Santa"
Why is everyone referring to "Santa"
PyongyangKipperbang · 08/12/2020 22:05

@Smallsteps88

I've always thought that calling him Santa was a bit like calling your Granny "Nan" or "Nanna".

And what’s that like?

I suspect it is viewed as "common", I know that my mother only used FC and very much looked down on my cousins because their mother (her sister) allowed them to call my grandmother "nanna". We called her grandma to her and "our grandmother" when talking about her. To this day I still describe my mother and father as....well...my mother and father!

I think she thoroughly disapproves of my children calling me whatever the hell they like, but has enough sense to not say anything! I am happy with being called "Mama Bear" by my 23 year old, "Ma" by my 30 year old and usually "The Old Bitch" by my teens when they think I cant hear them! My 9 year old still calls me Mummy though, which I think is allowed!

She'd have a blue fit if she knew that she is known as "The Dragon" by everyone behind her back (mostly affectionately) :o

EmilySpinach · 08/12/2020 22:06

Father Christmas is a figure from old English folk-tales. He signifies the coming spring and was therefore traditionally depicted as wearing green. The Ghost of Christmas Present in A Christmas Carol is a clear reference to this figure.

More or less concurrently, Dutch settlers brought the tradition of Sinter Klaas / St Nicholas to the new colonies in America. The two began to be conflated in England some time in the mid-nineteenth century.