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Thread 4 Shielding chat

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Egghead68 · 08/12/2020 09:55

Thought I’d set this up as we don’t seem to have one. Please delete if we do and I’ve missed it.

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tobee · 28/12/2020 16:24

Thank you @MarieVanGoethem for your kind words!

Such a stressful time for so many "vulnerable" people, of all ages and circumstances; most of the population seem to just want to lump them all together. How many times have you seen "oh the vulnerable cam just stay in while we get on with our lives" since March?

MarieVanGoethem · 28/12/2020 21:00

That’s ok @tobee: I’m sorry I’ve only words to offer.
Ye-es, there has indeed been an awful lot of “well the vulnerable can just stay inside forever and the rest of us can go on as normal”; with the SUPER fun bonus of “we locked down for you BE GRATEFUL”. Oh and screeds about how, given that, we are responsible for the economy crashing don’t mention the Brexit & future generations having no job prospects etc. Being part a millennial, I’ve not THAT much time for that pov, having watched the metaphorical ladders be hauled up all around me. WTAH we were doing telling everyone university was some kind of necessity &/or right; & making a degree a pre-requisite for so many careers... but I digress...

All the conflating shielders with the 70+ group was a disaster really. Mind you, the amount of people ready to shove healthy 70 year olds off this mortal coil really shocked me. 70 isn’t old any more. Admittedly, I’ve never really thought of it as old - WW2 so rudely getting in the way of what my grandparents’ might’ve expected from life in the 1940s meant that my maternal grandmother was 70 before I was born & my paternal grandparents turned 70 before I did 10. (My maternal grandfather would’ve been 85 had he lived to see me born...) But none of them, even with my maternal grandmother having had open heart surgery, seemed “old”; and all were boundingly fit until, in my maternal grandmother’s case, my mother died a couple of years before her; my grandfather developed heart failure a year before he died (still fitter than most men in their nineties); & the literal day she died in the case of my other granny. Fitter, frankly, than plenty of the people chuntering on about people who’ve “lived their time”. Willing to bet they might feel otherwise were the shoe on the other foot. This myth people are desperate to swan-dive into the great beyond, or at the very least Don’t Mind is really alarming. Even the people who say they’re Ready To Die generally mean in the sense they’ve no unfinished business, not they’re actively hoping for death. There are - sadly - people of all ages for whom death is an end to suffering nobody should have to endure. One of my father’s cousins died the day before my birthday after being ill for several years in just such a way - she was 65, so not even the magical age at which apparently people are meant to be fine with withdrawing from the world in a fashion so dramatic even closed religious orders think it’s a bit hardcore &/or actual literal martyrdom. (As a side note, if I catch this sodding thing & die, I fully expect you all to start claiming I’ve caused Miraculous Events. There’s no Saint with my real name & I feel I’d make an excellent addition to the litany. Would also provide the ultimate moral high-ground...)

Somehow I’m still finding myself surprised by the threads on here about is it ok for me to flagrantly break the rules [in insert way here] - usually with the justification that they’ve “had a difficult time” &/or it would “help [their] mental health”. As if the rest of the world has been living it up through 2020; & as if “mental health” is a Get Out Of Jail Free card. Kleptomaniacs would doubtless be helped by having the freedom to shoplift with impunity, should we accommodate that? Change things up & admit people with EUPD/BPD to hospital long-term because they feel it would be helpful? (Would actually like to see much less stigma attached to the diagnosis & people with it not ignored when they are in acute settings so they don’t manage to do things like set themselves on fire & cause massive lasting trauma, but again, side issue.) People with anorexia think that if they can just lose “enough” weight they’ll feel great & frequently do experience periods of euphoria & manic energy; & people who self-harm often report that that makes them feel better. People drink excessively, take drugs & overeat to cheer themselves up & we don’t, as a rule, tell them to just crack on with it. I suppose that it’s a shared-behaviours thing, isn’t it... the justification by others are doing it/everyone does it/it’s not really harmful/it’s only once. And people will leap in to defend a behaviour they share that’s well-advertised as being harmful because they don’t want to believe it’s true. They particularly don’t want to believe negative things about themselves eg that their behaviour is selfish &/or puts others at risk - so if it can be normalised...

Ugh. Humans are terrible at a species level, basically. Literally the worst thing to happen to this planet. On an individual level, frequently awesome. Some of my favourite people are people. But taken as a whole, we’re a disaster, really.

Outnumberedwoman · 29/12/2020 00:35

Hi everyone. Just found this thread. I have missed you all. How are you? Did you have a nice Christmas? Did you do anything to enjoy it or was it miserable?

We kept DS1 off school the last week of term. His school gave us the option to learn from home for the last week so his last day in class was 11th. Lots of schools here pleaded with our education minister to close the schools for the last week but he wouldnt budge. So schools took the decision to allow distance learning for the last week. We got sent a pack of activities home and he was very good and dutifully did a little every morning.

We kept DS2 at school as his school bubble in te special school is only 6 people. He gets so much out of school and his challenging behavior is much less and his speech has improved. His school day is about so much more than education. It seemed worth the risk as his school is so good and so strict with regards to corona precautions.

I am very worried about sending the boys back. They are due back next Tuesday for DS1 and Wednesday for DS2. Again the special school dont worry me as much but DS1 is in a bubble of approximately 30 people. And in the last few weeks of term i found out (from DS I might add and not officially from the school) that they are back to eating lunch in the canteen, that a music teacher comes in once a week and goes round several classes in his school and probably goes round different schools everyday. We were NOT impressed at having to find this out from DS1. I was very impressed with the school in August when the kids went back but I just feel things have been slipping.

This new strain is very concerning too asit seems to be running wild through younger people and in particular school age children. With all the mixing that is going on as detailed above I feel the risk is too great. I feel so disappointed that I have done everything to keep the family safe. I have cleaned and wiped until my hands are raw. We have done nothing this year. We have abided by the rules and it feels like a kick in the teeth that the school in my opinion are letting the side down so much and seem to have a very blasé attitude to the whole thing. I am thinking that i will keep the oldest at home even if our education department dont close schools. They might not value life and health but we do. DS1 was able to stay well up to date with his learning at home and if anything he benefitted more because he had one to one learning everyday. When he did go back in August his teacher praised how well he had done and said she could tell he had kept up with his studies and was perhaps a little ahead of the pack.

Shielding has not been reintroduced here in NI. New updated guidance says we are to limit interactions and definitely work from home. So it is shielding in everything but name! Without any protections. The whole thing has been a disaster!

Didkdt · 29/12/2020 01:05

The vaccine calculator says I’ll be vaccinated between the end of January and beginning of February which is interesting because originally it had me as 2-3rd week in January I also wonder if there is some movement depending on which vaccine you will have?

I’m relieved my DC1 has a delayed return to school but I’m not happy that my DC2 is pencilled in to go back next week not with our local levels and hospital admissions peaking as they are

MarieVanGoethem · 29/12/2020 09:42

@Outnumberedwoman
Oh excellent, am v glad to, er, see you. I’d thought you might be busy with Christmas but was a wee bit worried. I know you weren’t able to celebrate as you would usually, but I hope you still managed to enjoy yourself. I pretty much slept through the entire day, which as we’re Tier 4 here so I’m to distance even from my brother - & he couldn’t spend the day with my aunt & uncle as he would usually - wasn’t such a bad thing (other than that of course it meant I didn’t eat nearly enough...).
That must be so incredibly frustrating about your DS1’s school. I think special schools are generally much more cautious, beyond the practicalities of their being smaller etc, because often they’ll have students with complex health needs & even if they might not be as severely ill as an adult would be, staff who work with them will often have seen them be more ill than their peers would be with something quite mild. I’m so pleased your DS2 is doing so well at school - it sounds like he’s absolutely blossoming. Do you think there’s any chance the school might tighten things up again with the new strain having emerged? Even if they do to be honest I’d not blame you for keeping your DS1 home. I’ve honestly no idea how we’re to manage in London with hospitals so overwhelmed as it is. University Hospital Lewisham (& Queen Elizabeth Greenwich) have cancelled all planned procedures. Lewisham Borough’s schools have a student population that’s over 70% BAME; & it’s not uncommon for households in this Borough to be i. overcrowded & ii. multigenerational. We’d also a desperate attainment gap after the first lockdown even in good schools though - & gentrification really isn’t helping things any, just pushing an ever-starker divide. It’s not like the previous waves of community-building - & our communities are getting trampled, prime example being where the Low Traffic Neighbourhoods have pushed traffic (& associated pollution) from & to: particularly egregious considering the death of wee Ella due to the pollution levels on the South Circular.
Leaving aside my grump; until we went into Tier 4 we were basically to shield but not officially told to. The government really hasn’t the first idea - I’m sure they’re fondly imagining shielders tottering about in their dotage or too ill to work or all (the mere handful they believe are gainfully employed) able to work from home (on the chaise onto which they swoon on the regular, obviously) apart from about 3 people & that’s only 3 people so Why Bother? I’m not sure how else to explain/understand this level of raging incompetence...

@Didkdt
I’m sorry, that must be really stressful. Are your DC2’s school at least good in terms of robust precautions?
If they manage to do 2 million a week with the Oxford vaccines coming into play I’m looking at 19/01 to 02/02 apparently. I think the calculator may be including age as a metric within the shielding group, which is a bit daft of it... the current supply levels mean the Pfizer jab will run out before they reach us (unless you get the jab as a HCP/care worker/octogenarian+ who also happens to be shielding) BUT there’s an argument being made that they also need to look at which patient groups they can access most easily [with which jab] so that might change; & giving people only one dose of the Pfizer is being mooted as that gives 90% coverage & (obviously) you can then cover twice as many people.
Really quite frustrated to read today that teaching unions are arguing their members should be vaccinated as a priority. Apparently they missed the bit - worrying, with reading comprehension being a key skill across all subject areas - about the aim of this being to stop people dying. Their members who are most at risk will be vaccinated ahead of the general population & it is really really diabolically bad that so many teachers (& TAs & other school staff) aren’t being properly supported by the government & that they don’t feel safe at work - but the answer to that isn’t to yeet the elderly off this mortal coil & expect shielders to stay inside until the 12th of never. Not least because if teachers were prioritised, plenty of other professions would be able to argue in. By Clinical Need [plus HCPs] is the best/fairest way to roll out the vaccine - it’s why they offer a free NHS flu jab to the people who have a clinical need for it & to HCPs; & you’re then free to buy yourself one if you wish. (Also, WTAH is wrong with people who’re outraged they can’t buy themselves the vaccine Right Now? I could just about understand if they wanted to buy it for their elderly relative so they could get it right away, but people having a tantrum because they can’t [for once] use money to shove ahead of people who truly need something rather than simply wanting it... boggling levels of entitlement...)

TOWGA · 29/12/2020 10:19

I have just had confirmation that work are gonna furlough me! I have no idea what I will do until June, being pregnant with a serious heart condition means I can't have vaccine until I give birth, so means I will be CEV until then!

MarieVanGoethem · 29/12/2020 10:48

@TOWGA
Am glad that you can at least be furloughed & not have to worry about what’s happening with your work; though I can see a 6(ish) month stretch must feel like lots of time to fill, especially if you’re wanting to be cautious about how [much] you prepare for your baby.

I suppose now’s the time to try things like DuoLingo or free courses via EdX (or indeed paid ones if you can afford it/are interested enough); or to learn to knit or crochet; or to research your family tree... online pregnancy yoga/pilates classes? (They’re bound to be a thing right...?) Going for walks if you’re somewhere that you can safely do that or you can get to somewhere you can safely do that. Ye gods & little fishes I miss walking more than 100 to 200 metres or so at a time. And it’s going to be nightmarishly hard to restart. But everyone including both cardiologists has grounded me, so... Just reading whatever you like...

Egghead68 · 29/12/2020 12:04

@TOWGA I am glad you will have money coming in at least. I second Duolingo. I’ve also enjoyed some of the Oxford Cont Ed courses although they are £££.

Good to see you @Outnumberedwoman. My Christmas was done over Zoom but was enjoyable.

@Didkdt I’d be worried about your DC going back to school too. I still wonder whether they are going to delay schools going back, at least in tier 4 areas.

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Didkdt · 29/12/2020 22:02

Thanks I don’t know what to do, thankfully my son’s secondary is less robust than my daughter’s primary, so that is a positive in as much as he isn’t’ the going back just yet, but I’m still not comfortable, at her school her year was the only bubble not to burst.
Work wise I’m still working from home and they are happy to accommodate that for as long as is necessary but I’m working harder than at any other point.
I’m not on the Pfizer vaccine list as I have severe allergies and an epipen so I’m not sure where that leaves me for getting a vaccine

What I’m finding hard is exercise, everywhere I’ve tried for walks has been busy especially around parks and the car parks for more remote spots, finding time and space in the day isn’t easy by the time my daughter is in bed and I’ve tidied up I’m exhausted, but I know I’m getting stiffer and heavier I need to keep moving.

Egghead68 · 29/12/2020 22:26

I do a lot of Zoom classes which help, or just walk up and down listening to podcasts.

There’s an announcement tomorrow where it seems likely they’ll discuss schools as well as the new tier arrangements.

Fingers crossed they will approve the Oxford vaccine soon.

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Outnumberedwoman · 30/12/2020 04:47

Belated happy birthday @MarieVanGoethem . DS2 birthday was week before Christmas and his school had a wee party for him. They really are so very good to him. Had a bumpy few weeks but he turned a corner literally over night in November. He is following instructions much better and he has had no problems of challenging behaviour in school since then. He seems happy to go every morning and comes out singing. And the staff are all so lovely and so very good to him. They praise him for everything and recognise all his achievements no matter how small. The first day he sat for snack at the table, every time he says new words, when he sat on the toilet for them at changing time. They might be nothing to some children but to him each of those is a huge milestone. The speech therapist attached to the school had a meeting with me and said she had been in observing the class and will start more intensive therapy after Christmas now they are all settled. She said she had noticed a huge change for the better in him and now he is listening and engaging better, speech therapy will hopefully get better results. I honestly felt like i was walking on air when she told me that. It was the best Christmas present to have someone saying something positive about him for once! Its like I was able to let out a breath I didnt even realise I had been holding in!

I have no idea when I will be getting the vaccine. Things arent too clear here. All i know is i am either category 4 or category 6. Basically could be a while either way! I too suffer allergies and have ended up in a&e but was never given an epi pen just told to avoid the allegens and if necessary present at a&e. Not sure what this means if I will be allowed the pfzier vaccine. I agree with @Didkdt that hopefully oxford is approved soon.

The numbers coming out of NI at the moment are making very scary reading. Cases and deaths are very high. In my view things are worse than they were in March. Still no word on schools but I have taken the decision with my husband that DS1 is NOT going back. It is just too risky.

Lovely to see you too @Egghead68. Glad you had a good Christmas even if over zoom! Everyone here in NI is under a curfew at the minute from 8pm to 6am and apparently internet usage has soared! What did we do before internet lol.

RE exercise I have found nothing to avoid the crowds except going early in the morning (after curfew) or the old faithful of you tube videos. There are some great gentler exercises on there suitable for old decrepit people like me!

Outnumberedwoman · 30/12/2020 07:12

The oxford vaccine has been apporoved! Such good news.

Egghead68 · 30/12/2020 09:03

Excellent news indeed!

So pleased about your son’s progress, @Outnumberedwoman!

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Egghead68 · 30/12/2020 11:15

They just said in the press briefing today that they are updating the guidelines for all vaccines to say that it is only those with allergies to one of the ingredients in the vaccine (rather than those with other severe allergies) who should not take them.

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Egghead68 · 30/12/2020 12:54

From Sky News - revised rules regarding vaccines and allergies

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Outnumberedwoman · 30/12/2020 15:21

Oh that does sound promising. Thanks @Egghead68.

In other news - over 2000 cases here in NI today. Our health minister has said it is like a gut punch. Executive are meeting tomorrow RE schools but our education minister has already said schools are opening. He wont back down. He wont admit he is wrong. It is criminal that he can play with lives like this. I feel vindicated in my decision to keep my DS off. No way are we leaving the house with over 2000 cases!

What do you all think Gavin Williamson is going to say at 4pm? If he closes english schools i have a slim hope that the dup might close our schools.

Egghead68 · 30/12/2020 16:11

Rules for pregnancy and vaccine changes too - think is now individual risk-benefit decision.

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User9574 · 30/12/2020 17:51

I've lurked for a while, I recently started immunosuppressant for a mild to moderate condition. Hello all.

figgyitypudding · 30/12/2020 18:03

Hello @User9574 :)

Where are all my fellow CEV teachers/ school staff?

We're going into Tier 3 from 2. Just wondering what you have been doing if you were already Tier 3 last term. In work? Working from home?

I've been at home since the second lockdown, but the plan had been for me to return to my primary school from the second week of next term. Now I don't know whether I should try to stay home, get signed off, or just bite the bullet and go in.

FestiveFannyGallops · 30/12/2020 18:04

I just want to cry with the news about schools as I've a ds in primary and we are in tier 4 from tonight. I'm glad the dds are not going to be in but ds being in is a big worry as he's the only one who I can't distance from.

TOWGA · 30/12/2020 18:16

@Egghead68 I saw they have changed the rules for pregnancy- will be interesting to see what it means for me!

Anewuser · 30/12/2020 19:02

Hi @User9574, welcome to our little band of shielders.

@figgyitypudding, I've been out of school since November. Spoke to my head at the end of term to say I can't see me coming back in January. We're in tier 4 and I received my shielding letter saying not to go to work before 18th January. I'm on unpaid leave now. I won't risk bringing covid home to my CEV adult son. I plan to wait until he's been vaccinated. I'm not bothered about me but I couldn't bear him being in hospital by himself.

FestiveFannyGallops · 30/12/2020 20:06

Ive just had the latest shielding letter by email and a text too.

figgyitypudding · 30/12/2020 21:45

What does it say, @FestiveFannyGallops? I’ve had the email the last two times, and the letters before, but nothing this time.

TreacleHart · 30/12/2020 21:49

Newly tier 4 here , dh received his email pretty quickly after announcement of tiers on tv. Letter to be sent as well apparently.