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Thread 4 Shielding chat

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Egghead68 · 08/12/2020 09:55

Thought I’d set this up as we don’t seem to have one. Please delete if we do and I’ve missed it.

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Catwoman1985 · 07/01/2021 21:37

I got my letter today too and it says that even after both doses of the vaccine, to still shield. sigh I'm grateful to have an understanding employer and to be safe at home but it has been months and it feels like it could be months yet. I felt a bit low today but will try and shake it off tomorrow.

RuthTopp · 07/01/2021 21:43

Yes he had the flu jab, they did it in the dr car park.

Poppystars · 07/01/2021 21:45

Wow that is great news @MarieVanGoethem hope it goes well and you can tell us all about it!

That is the second piece of good news I have read today. The other bring two new confirmed treatment to reduce severity and help save lives of people in hospital with COVID. Two medications that Uk has tested and has stock of! Not a cure, but another step forwards.

RuthTopp if he says no now, who knows when other priority levels will get it or if he will go further down the queue? Whilst going somewhere is a risk, it would be a much bigger risk if he had to go into hospital for any treatment linked to health issues without that dose of vaccine. But, people have the right to choose.

Egghead68 · 07/01/2021 22:51

@RuthTopp just echoing everyone else’s sentiments that your DH should have it when offered.
I can understand his concerns about infection. Maybe he could ask to have it in the car park again, or on a day for shielders? There were at least 80 people in the (admittedly large) room when I had mine, which didn’t feel safe.

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Phlip · 07/01/2021 22:58

Got my email from Matt Hancock. It says to shield even after second dose. No chance of that, I will be hugging my adult DC and getting some life back.

Madhairday · 08/01/2021 00:01

That's great news @MarieVanGoethem - are you in group 1 due to your work? Let us know how it goes.

No idea if I've had the email as haven't checked mine since lunchtime. Disappointing to hear shielding still expected after the second dose even :( it feels just never ending.

Madhairday · 08/01/2021 00:03

I must admit I do get your dhs worries a bit @RuthTopp, it must feel like he's come so far and then to risk it right at the last hurdle could feel a bit overwhelming.

I must admit I've worried seeing those queues for vaccinations. I can't stand for 10 mins in the cold let alone 3 hours :(

Didkdt · 08/01/2021 01:40

@RuthTopp Could he check how he’ll actually receive his vaccine before he makes a decision like that. Two groups behind is a big queue and clinicians are being so careful about transmission risk.

MarieVanGoethem · 08/01/2021 10:02

@Peachered
Thank you Grin It was completely out of the blue so I was utterly thrown. Luckily my poor father (“taking the children for their jabs” clearly wasn’t anticipated to be a share of the parenting load that lasted this long... or more “suddenly restarted Because The World Is On Fire [in some places literally]”) hadn’t anything on this afternoon, though it took me two goes to explain what I was asking because the first try was speech too fast for human comprehension Blush Have had someone be a bit weird at me as their elderly relatives in care homes in a devolved nation haven’t yet heard anything much less had theirs. I’m sure they are worried, but I think to be needing the jab at all in our circs probably removes one from the “lucky” category, even though you might feel it yourself? Meh. Humans.
With the extended shielding bit, my hope-plan is that after the two doses (& kicking-in time) I can start going out for short walks (in a super-filtery mask, because sadly we’re not allowed cattle prods or even just poking sticks to ward people off with...) just to try to work on building up my functional ability. Can one make Pooh Sticks covid-safe?Hmm
Remember, too, that the shielding guidance is just guidance. If following it after you’re vaccinated & lockdown is lifted is making you miserable, it has to be your decision (maybe after talking to your consultant[s] &/or GP &/or looking at advice from any charities for people with the condition you’re shielding for?) as to how closely you continue to follow the guidance. So don’t go round licking doorhandles & if you were to go to a concert have it be [wearing a mask to?] an open-air socially-distanced attendance-limited one: no mosh-pit just yet. That sort of thing.

@Egghead68
I’m INCREDIBLY excited. Literally no idea how I’m getting it this early (no question of there being a name mix-up GrinGrinGrin & they check your details before letting you book...) but No Takesie Backsies is of course a sacred principle & I want my sticker. Really weirdly one of my friends who I don’t get to see nearly enough of even without a dirty great pandemic interrupting our social lives (because the geography of the UK is, frankly, inconvenient to the point of actual rudeness), is getting hers done tomorrow as well - she’s shielding, but her jab’s being done for/through her work.

@RuthTopp
As the others have said, they might not agree to his delaying that long; & he really is being a (rather unattractive) mix of silly & selfish. If he were to have to go into hospital for any reason he’d be vastly VASTLY better off having had that jab. If he’s not actually been sent an appointment yet though, could you both be worrying unnecessarily? It’s a bit tricky as - understandably - we’re not meant to contact anyone about arrangements for the vaccine, because otherwise everywhere would be flooded with queries. Could you see if there’s any further information online yet about locations & arrangements by you? Would it help your DH to make a list of things he’s worried about & then you can try to problem-solve? I use Cambridge Masks when I have to go to hospital appointments - they’re reusable N99 masks & they come in different sizes so you get the best possible fit. So that would protect him should someone be breathing germs in his direction. If you’d be driving him, he could wrap himself in a blanket or sheet for the drive home & you could have a decon box in the hall so as soon as he enters he takes everything off & puts it in the box for a hot wash; & goes to have a shower himself. I mean, going to the level people who actually work on Covid wards do seems extreme; but if it’ll either get him there OR get him to have a wee reassess of what is reasonable... I do understand that having to be around people can be frightening, but he is hugely fortunate he’s been able to avoid it so completely. Sometimes we’ve to do things that scare us because we need to; & because on the risk/benefit analysis, benefit wins. I’ve been having to go into a busy London hospital at least once month since April. It’s fecking terrifying because people don’t distance properly & a worrying number of people don’t wear masks properly either. But even then it would [have] be[en] riskier not to. There are a very few [CEV] people - like one of my aunts - who’ve been told having the vaccine is too risky. For everyone else I think we’ve to trust they’re still working on basis of trying to avoid potential transmission - worrying when it’s not yet clear what arrangements are for CEV patients is just wasting his energy (& presumably making you both miserable). Will he hear that though, or is he now all set on “this is the thing & I’ve decided what will happen despite not knowing if A is the case nor if B is possible”?

@Madhairday
No, the antics of my ridiculous body mean I’m not well enough to work, so I was completely thrown to be called this early. I don’t know if it’s to do with there being some flexibility in the framework & aforementioned corporeal ridiculousness plus Lewisham, dearly as I love it, being one of the most deprived bits of the UK (they look at socio-economic status of local demographic, but frankly stretching disability benefits has been more challenging than you’d expect for a year when you can’t fecking go anywhere Hmm ) may’ve meant a case for reprioritisation given the things they list. I don’t think they’ve managed to gallop through 1-3 already, but Guy’s & King’s both cover Lewisham, so will’ve done at least some of them. I suppose someone who is CEV & has multiple comorbidities but has to attend hospital [at least] once a month is probably someone it makes sense to vaccinate ASAP, but still weird. (I’m very much not complaining, to be clear! I just can’t quite believe it!)

Egghead68 · 08/01/2021 11:56

It’s brilliant news @MarieVanGoethem! I’m so pleased for you and pleased that GPs seem to be able to use their discretion about who needs it most. Woo hoo!! Please let us know how you get on.

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MarieVanGoethem · 08/01/2021 19:00

Thanks @Egghead68 Smile

I am absolutely wiped, but that’s because I am embarrassingly Feeble at the moment & did not think through Just How Feeble & take my wheelchair. Didn’t have to stand outside long (& people distanced) but I just can’t stand atm (well never my forte, really stupid spine) so I looked like a mix of a newborn giraffe when walking & Bambi-on-ice when trying to stand. Luckily the GP surgery were letting people who needed someone to mind them have that assistance without heaps of questioning (though in all cases was obvious to be fair) - & of course everyone was in masks inside & outside.

My GP surgery has indeed used their discretion when it comes to how to prioritise; & it was the Pfizer jab I had.

Was all reasonably simple: distanced queue outside; hand sanitiser at entrance building; socially distanced queue of 2 to 3 people inside; taken through (all staff in PPE) to cubicles where we had to confirm who we were & then answer some health-related questions before being stabbed in the arm & carefully not bleeding everywhere. Outside to socially distanced seating in the waiting room (I genuinely seemed to be put in the Naughty Corner I was so far away from everyone & right next to the lady running things...) where we were given our info leaflets & vaccine card PLUS a sticky label showing what time our 15 minute wait was up so keeping track of who could leave when was a simple task. They had run out of stickers by the time I left. Frankly I may never recover from this. More hand sanitizer on exit & then away home.

My arm really is VERY sore. But I have clean bedlinen & am wearing FANCY pyjamas (which have pockets). Fully considering having oatly chocolate fudge ice-cream for tea...

Babysharkdoodoodood · 08/01/2021 19:11

I'm wondering if they'd be able to do it in my thigh, if its intramuscular? I sleep on my right as my left (mastectomy arm) aches if I lay on it. And I can't have it in my left because mastectomy....... Or I could just not sleep until it stops hurting Grin

Egghead68 · 08/01/2021 19:24

Sorry they had run out of stickers @MarieVanGoethem!! Otherwise - great! I hope you arm is better soon. Did they give you an appointment for your second dose? I think oatly chocolate fudge ice-cream is essential - it’s excellent for arm pain! Hopefully this is the beginning of the end.

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FlatteredRhubardFool · 08/01/2021 19:35

@Babysharkdoodoodood it depends on the licensing. It's usually the deltoid muscle (upper arm) as this is deemed best but there should be alternatives for those who can't have it there.

I've found this:

Method of administration
Administer the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 vaccine intramuscularly in the deltoid muscle after dilution.
Do not inject the vaccine intravascularly, subcutaneously or intradermally.

From www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

If you're lucky it won't be sore at all and won't affect your sleep.

FlatteredRhubardFool · 08/01/2021 19:37

And this • Individuals who have minimal muscle mass in the deltoid area of the upper arm, or a particular reason to avoid immunisation in the deltoid muscle, can be given their vaccine in the vastus lateralis muscle in the thigh if necessary

From

www.guidelines.co.uk/immunisation-and-vaccination/phe-covid-19-vaccination-guidance/455707.article

So you'll be fine to have it in your thigh.

MarieVanGoethem · 08/01/2021 20:57

@Babysharkdoodoodood
Excellent detective work by @FlatteredRhubardFool for you there; & excellent news thigh-wise Grin I had to learn to sleep sitting up when I had an NJ tube so although I’m happiest curled up like one of my cats, I can manage to sleep propped up. I’m not meant to have IM injections because of my bleeding disorder, but as this has to be IM Envy (Not. Envy.) It’s just one of those things though... 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Egghead68
Not sure when the second dose’ll be - they’ll get in touch with me closer to the time to book it. Am going to keep icing my arm (not with the ice-cream Wink ) - silly bleeding disorder Hmm

Madhairday · 08/01/2021 21:03

@MarieVanGoethem you should write a blog! Love the way you write and your humour in the face of suffering. Just so glad that somehow you've been prioritised to get it now :)

Passthewinebottle · 08/01/2021 21:50

[quote Madhairday]@MarieVanGoethem you should write a blog! Love the way you write and your humour in the face of suffering. Just so glad that somehow you've been prioritised to get it now :)[/quote]
I agree re a blog, you have a fabulous writing style
@MarieVanGoethem
I could only wish to write like you do! x

Egghead68 · 08/01/2021 22:49

No don’t waste the ice-cream! Hope the pain goes soon. 🤞

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Poppystars · 08/01/2021 23:23

Enjoy eating the ice-cream @MarieVanGoethem - hope all ok soon! Great first jab done. Hope we can all follow in your footsteps - with no sore arms or problems when we are called. So sorry no stickers - this is for you instead Bear Bear - if you can imagine on a nice sticker!!

Am so relieved it is the weekend! Asked my DH to do all the home learning bits I did not manage to do - especially the messy creative ones, which I particularly left! I would much rather do the cleaning tomorrow Wink

Babysharkdoodoodood · 09/01/2021 05:34

@FlatteredRhubardFool

And this • Individuals who have minimal muscle mass in the deltoid area of the upper arm, or a particular reason to avoid immunisation in the deltoid muscle, can be given their vaccine in the vastus lateralis muscle in the thigh if necessary

From

www.guidelines.co.uk/immunisation-and-vaccination/phe-covid-19-vaccination-guidance/455707.article

So you'll be fine to have it in your thigh.

Thank yoooooDaffodilBlushThanksCake
Didkdt · 10/01/2021 23:36

Anyone else feel like they are just waiting for the call?

RuthTopp · 11/01/2021 17:28

So my dh has been shielding as per letters received.
He is on PIP plus Support group ESA ( for those that do not know , it's an income based benefit ) awarded to those who are not expected ever to be well enough to return to work.
He has not worked for 18 month-old 2 years. To receive ESA you have to send a doctor's sick note to them , which we have always done. Phoned today to get one only to receive a text from Dr saying as he hasn't been seen lately they need to see him face to face ! We are very HmmConfused about this as you'd think the Drs would not want to see shielding people unless absolutely needed not expect them to be put at risk by coming to Drs . I phoned reception to explain text, and was told no appointments face to face and phone tomorrow to make a telephone appointment. Crazy and time consuming for you'd imagine , busy Drs .

Poppystars · 11/01/2021 23:00

Could they do a video call @RuthTopp?

I had a bizarre hospital letter. Appointment for a scan. Says due to huge volume of traffic at the hospital ( I assume for hospital staff and over 80’s vaccines, although many more sites now operating in the city and surrounding areas, including 2 within 10 mins drive of me!) it says the strongly recommend I use public transport to get to this appointment!!

So that is a 15 min walk, a bus to the city, change buses to get the bus to the hospital, be in a busy hospital and reverse. Two issues - massive risk for someone who is ECV and has a car to drive the 20 minutes, compared to 3 hours plus to do it by public transport with connections, fewer buses etc! Who will have my children whilst I do this??

Going to phone to delay appointment!!

UnholyStramash · 12/01/2021 00:14

In Bonnie Scotland we shielders are being advised not to use public transport including taxis at present while the new variant is so prevalent. If you have a car I’d use it and not risk buses, trains. I hope your appointment goes okay @Poppystars.

Ironically we’ve realised my husband and I will be in the same group for the vaccine, as respectively an over 70 and an under 60 with underlying wotsits. The joys of an age gap marriage - he’s 74 and I’m 59 3/4. I get the big scary letters from the government and am advised to shield; he’s fit and well, does our shopping, though we get some deliveries and try to limit his outings, especially now with the quicker spread. Nobody’s really suggested he doesn’t gad about to shops etcetera and he reckons he’s very careful. Gawd, I do hope so. The advice seems more clear and vehement for the over 80s but 70s aren’t that old really. Well, some are decrepit but many over 70s people aren’t.

I hope we can get our vaccinations via the GP as we live in a small rural town. We can walk to GP and back. To get to the bigger place with DGH 20 miles away we’d have to use the bus. I’m not sure who’s doing my blood this week but I’ll ask what the plan might be.

I need to give up on the day now. Very tired though a bit more chirpy. But I vacuity my thumb whilst washing dishes. Yeah, who put the sharp knife with the wooden handle in the sink? Not I. As a result I can’t knit so I need to go to bed and maybe read. Clean sheets on the bed so a bath first. I love clean bedding!!

Goodnight, all of you, I hope you all sleep well.