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Bullied at work. But they want me to leave (long one. sorry)

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beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:05

That's it in a nutshell really. But here's the long version...

Low level picking has been going on for a while, work with a difficult character, but always managed it just fine. Love my job.

It took on a 'proper' bullying form from Sept/October and have kept a really detailed record as it was getting really bad.

Micromanaging, changing the rules/instructions all the time, making my head spin, personal remarks at times. Walking on egg shells every day for 8 hours.

Got moved by bully 1 up into another office to do one part of my job (this felt like a form of punishment) and then told to return once job was job. I loved working up in new office as wasn't getting bullied by anyone. It was bliss. Other people started to comment on my job (data related) being so much better now I'm out of the very busy environment with bully 1 that I was in before. Many staff said it was a brilliant idea to do the data part in a quiet area. I was very pleased.

On returning from my nice new office, back to where I was before with bully 1, the atmosphere is palpable. Silent treatment, answering anything I say with 'whatever' or 'doesn't matter' or 'who cares'. She is an angry person. The days drag. I don't want to be there.

But I keep going. I even ask her what's wrong several times, she shrugs with 'it is what it is'. I ask if she wants me back to work earlier (it's busy in our roles) and she says 'it doesn't work like that'. I try to see how I can appease her. It falls on deaf ears.

I remain doing my part 1 job elsewhere (half the day I am happy) then return to the horrible atmosphere where I do everything 'wrong' for the rest of the day.

Then one day HR appear when I'm coming down from job 1 and says in front of anyone walking in/out 'what is taking so long, why are you taking this long'. It's 2 on 1 in a public place, asking me why I'm not doing my job quick enough (no time frame had been set - I was doing my job neither rushed or slow, just normal).

I defended my position and said how everyone thought it was so much better now, but the two of them were quite pushy/aggressive with how they spoke to me. I said I felt really confident if ofsted were to walk in now, my data would be spot on. I got told by bully 1 'that's got nothing to do with you' (the week before, she had said 'don't throw that very old paperwork out, you'll need that for ofsted) - just one example of the rules always changing to suit. Head spin.

Anyway. I spoke to Bully 2 (HR) who just happens to be besties with Bully 1, outside (with people walking past) and said how horrible the atmosphere was and how Bully 1 had been really difficult to work with. She said talk it out with her, get a third party as well (her!)

I went back and spoke to Bully 1. I explained how difficult things had been lately and felt terrible if I'd left her in the lurch, but was doing my data part of my job so much better. It was a good chat. Bully 1 was actually very positive. Said she felt so much better for talking. She said 'let's carry on as normal, you do data and come back when you're ready, no issues'.

All over. Phew.

Back in the next day, it's gone from really bad to really really bad. Atmosphere is horrendous, and she is one angry lady.

She demands I stay with her. I say I'm behind with data now (we had something serious happen that needed sorting out) and she said 'it doesn't matter!' I say just let me go for an hour, and she says 'no, you'll stay here'. I say I'd rather work there and she said 'I'll bet you do!' You're staying here.

I had to leave for 5 minutes as I was starting to cry. I went to see the person I had been working with for the data side. She was lovely about everything.

Returned after a few minutes as was panicking about Bully 1 being more angry.

Got on with my day. Very hard.

HR (Bully 2) wants a meeting.

Meeting was over an hour of listing things about me. I got told Bully 1 shouldn't have had to ask me to come back down (from other office) I should have used my empathy skills that they thought I had. I had betrayed Bully 1. I owed Bully 1 everything as she fought for me to get the job, and no one else wanted me. There was a long long list of things (nothing performance related, as I do my job well) but it was all other things, personal as well. She said if I loved the data part so much they might think about readvertising my role and I could reapply for it, but it would only be 10 hours a week!! Said why did I run crying to nice person, now I can't be trusted.

Had to apologise to Bully 1. Felt like I was fighting for my job. I had to say sorry for betraying her and talking to the other person I cried to.

I was battered. Started feeling very unwell next day stomach cramps, severe nausea, kept being sick in my mouth (sorry TMI) and migraines etc. Time off for few days and then over weekend my left side arm, left side body went all numb tingly, my heart had been getting faster and faster and my chest was really starting to hurt. Breathing became short. Went to walk in centre, then told to go to A&E. Had ECG. Told to get doctors appt.

Doctor said blood tests, rule out physical things, and then started talking to me about work.

I explained everything. Over the course seeing doctors, I've seen 6 and they've all said 'that's bullying' you need to escalate this.

On beta blockers now, and been on them for 3 weeks now. Been signed off.

Went to see deputy head, he said you need to take this further. This has happened before and people have left. He doesn't know how Bully 2 still has her job in HR.

So went to Bursar and told him everything. This was informal, and hadn't gone down proper grievance yet. All confidential. No empathy shown, defended Bully 1 (she's very well respected here, and maybe she can be a bit abrupt but she gets things done around here). He was only interested in when I would be returning to work. I said I don't think I can work with Bully 1. 'Oh so your return is based on where you work'

I cried in the meeting as it was quite difficult. It was being suggested it would be easier for my health if I left!

It was also very dismissive and thought it was just a simple spat that could be talked through. Anyway, he said, let's leave it for now, and we'll have another meeting 2 days time.

In 2 days time, I expect he's had a think about my role and whether I can move departments.

This has not happened. He's actually spoken to both Bully 1 and 2, told them I have a complaint about their conduct, and now he wants me to leave with a settlement.

Taking this further will 'cause untold pain to lots of people' and surely I don't want that? Also it won't be good for my health.

He wanted an answer pretty soon, I said no. He said can we have a verbal yes so he can get the paperwork moving, I said no. I need to think.

2 months wages is not enough time to find a job, I'm not even well after all of this (and I am a strong person, have been through a lot, but this has floored me). And why am I going? I get bullied, I say I'm being bullied, then I get asked to leave to prevent heartache to the actual bullies.

Sorry this is so long. If there is anyone out there who can advise or help, or just sympathise would be nice.

Thank you Flowers

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Hoppinggreen · 03/12/2020 13:08

That is horrific, I don’t suppose you are in a Union are you?
How long have you been there?

beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:11

Only 18 months, and only just joined a union. Don't think they will take on existing problems Sad

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user1471538283 · 03/12/2020 13:16

This is awful and they clearly want you out of the business. My Union will step in at any point so approach yours and explain the situation. If you are part of a big company it should have processes to explain what this is all about but it sounds personal to me.

It may be that you need to negotiate the best way out of this which may be to stay (but under a different manager) or leave (with a decent pay out) or leave (with the terms as they are).

Ask your Union to intervene and to act on your behalf.

I am so sorry this is happening to you. It happened to me once and I honestly fell apart for seven months. It left me with lasting anxiety problems. You are dealing with trauma and you need to be kind to yourself.

beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:20

Thank you user. I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm shocked at the physical symptoms I've been having and are still having.

I will contact the union and explain, and see if they can help. Worth a try.

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beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:28

The settlement will be a contract that says I can't raise a grievance about the bullying now or at a later date, and cannot speak about what has happened either or why I've left. They want to advertise my job asap Sad

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Bluepolkadots42 · 03/12/2020 13:32

This is horrendous- you poor thing Flowers
I would be mortified if I knew this was happening to staff in school I worked in,
Definitely speak to Union- ACAS may also have guidance that would help.
I think you've done well to stand your ground and not agree to anything in terms of settlements etc.
Get signed off for another 2 weeks and use this time to do your research and work out what your best options are.
The bursar answers to the Head and the governors- if the deputy head was sympathetic then chances are Head would be too. I wouldn't have further meetings with bursar alone or HR alone- keep all comms in writing where possible so you have a written record of everything and CC Headteacher into any comms you have or need to have with Bursar and HR.

sneakysnoopysniper · 03/12/2020 13:32

I wont go into detail but I was bullied at work. I spoke to my immediate manager who just swept it under the carpet and said she would "monitor" the situation. After our meeting I sent her an email detailing what we had discussed. To be frank as an experienced manager if a team member did that with me my first thought would be that she (the complainant) is creating a paper trail so I better be seen to deal with this efficiently if only to cover my own back.

The organization failed to follow its own procedures and at each juncture more paper was generated. I was in a union and they got a solicitor on the case when I was let go for sickness absence. Under threat of a tribunal they coughed up ten grand.

My advice - see your union rep if you are in one and create a paper trail . Each time you have a meeting send an email or memo politely thanking them for listening to your concerns and summarizing what was said and any course of action outlined. In particular if there is anything of a disciplinary nature always take a witness. A union rep or a colleague. If there are two of them never see them alone or they will use it against you.

Bluepolkadots42 · 03/12/2020 13:33

Do not sign any kind of Non disclosure agreement until you've consulted your union. Schools who employ staff that bully people do not deserve to have those matters kept quiet IMO

thereinmadnesslies · 03/12/2020 13:34

Leave. It’s totally wrong and the bully will do the same again. But if you stay you will end up hugely damaged.

I tried to fight in the same situation and had a breakdown.

Bluepolkadots42 · 03/12/2020 13:34

If they hound you for responses via phone- do not answer, let them leave a voicemail then email your response and make it clear you haven't reached any decision, are in consultation with your union and also your doctor about whether you are fit to return to work.

sneakysnoopysniper · 03/12/2020 13:35

If you are going to have to sign an NDA and agree not to proceed further against the employer make sure its a worthwhile settlement. Your union rep should be able to advise on that.

itsallgonepw · 03/12/2020 13:37

Do not do anything until you’ve had union advice. They are moving things quickly because they want it brushed under the carpet. Remember this isn’t your fault, this is down to the awful behaviour of others. Please be kind to yourself .

Do you have house insurance? Some policies cover legal issues relating to employment. Might be worth contacting them for free legal advice. If the school ask you again for a verbal yes or no say you are taking legal advice on the matter. See what they do then!

beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:39

Thank you Blue Flowers

DH had primed me with 'don't agree to anything no matter what' before the meeting so I kept repeating it to myself. Had a lovely chat with the doctor this afternoon (her son actually goes to the school as an aside) and she's been amazing throughout. Signed off again and will use time to contact various places for help.

The Head doesn't really like Bully 1 or 2, but for some reason doesn't want to challenge them. They would be a handful and I don't think he wants the stress. I might have a think about going to him next though, worth a try. Thank you.

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beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:42

Thanks sneaky, yes, I will contact union on that. 2 months wages is a bit insulting to be honest. And although I won't be able to say anything, I know that the bullies would talk about me if I leave, as I have heard them discuss others (they like gossip).

itsallgonepc - that's a good shout, house insurance, I will look at that. Agreed, I will say I'm seeking legal advice, and no to any decision. It is moving very fast.

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Zoflorabore · 03/12/2020 13:44

You poor thing op. Lots of great advice above.

Do you have a contract and if so what are their grievance and bullying policies?

They’re clearly trying to get you out quickly and quietly. I wonder if there is more to this from their perspective. What are they trying to cover up/hide?

Please look after yourself and do not give them a response until you’re properly represented Flowers

Hayeahnobut · 03/12/2020 13:50

If you are to sign a compromise agreement, then the employer will need to pay a small sum in order for you to receive legal advice. However you'd need to agree to the agreement first, the advice is to make sure you understand it.

Due to your short length of service, it's unlikely you'll get a large settlement, you might be able to push them to three months if you hold out, but be aware that if you do this, they'll likely go down the capability route due to your absence. That could result in you being dismissed without payment.

Speak to your rep and see if they can help you, but it's understandable if they can't as they're only normally able to help on new issues.

beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:52

Thanks zoflora, I think things get so bad people just leave. I think I might be the first one to lodge a complaint. It's a prestigious school in the area, so maybe bad publicity for them? I don't know.

But I've seen before with Bully 1 (when we were getting on) that she said that she would choose who works with her (she was in my interview), and if she doesn't get to choose she would just threaten to quit, and because she makes herself indispensable there, they do what she says.

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beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 13:54

Thanks Hayeahnobut, good to know what I could be facing.

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Hayeahnobut · 03/12/2020 13:56

Think about what outcome you want to achieve. Remember that going public will remove any possibility of a settlement, and could massively backfire. Do what is best for you and your health.

beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 14:04

Ideally I just want to do my job. I didn't want it to be formal, it was informal but the bursar decided to go to the bullies in question, and now they want me out.

I just want to do my job, but now perhaps move office so I don't work with Bully 1. I don't want to leave, make it public, take money and look for another job. Not in covid times, and there's very little around here.

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Twillow · 03/12/2020 14:23

Email HR to say that you are not making an immediate decision and that in the meantime you are going to contact your union for some advice.
This is neither untrue nor inflammatory - but may make them stop and think. And do contact your union - they may or may not be able to help with this instance but they will give you advice and support regardless.

stovetopespresso · 03/12/2020 14:31

bullies should never win! ever. stay strong any way you can. hopefully they will get whats soming to them in some karmic way, how can they live with themselves making people cry, they can't be happy and its not sustainable for them either.
If you possibly can, stay in this job as long as you can for all the obvious reasons.

WhySoSensitive · 03/12/2020 14:32

I’ve been there OP. I kept getting referred back to my head of department and she kept saying ‘Bully has been here fifteen years and the only person who will do this job long term’
Basically no one else could do the job alongside her long term because she was so violent and a bully, but they never ever acknowledged it.

I left, (walked out actually while they shouted after me and it felt wonderful) I was unemployed for three months and it took about half of that to be physically well again.

Not helpful I know, just want you to know you’re not alone. Hope everything works out for you OP.

Hoppinggreen · 03/12/2020 14:37

It’s such a shame you haven’t been there 2 years, you have very few rights and unless you have a protected characteristic they can get rid of you quite easily with only your notice period

beingbulliedatwork · 03/12/2020 14:42

Thanks twillow, yes I'l get in touch with the union in the next few days. Plus ACAS and anyone else who I can get advice from.

Thanks stove, I want to try and stay here as long as can. I'll never understand how people can be so cruel they can see a person lose their job and income over this (or just see someone on medication).

Whysosensitive - so sorry you've been through this. I'll bet the walking out felt wonderful though. Similar situation, and I think they'll be hard pushed to find someone who will tolerate her moods. Thanks, it's good to know am not alone Flowers

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