Nicola Sturgeon's reputation dubious.

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Great interview with Andrew Marr this morning where he stated lots of Scottish records that were worse than the rest of the UK - Covid 19 deaths in Care Homes for instance and the SNP's policy to level out attainment in schools which has actually got worse! He also played a piece from 2018 where she denied knowing about Alex Salmon's transgressions until April of that year when in fact she has now admitted she know about than 6 month earlier.

So many people are taken in by the cult of NS so I'm hoping this will start a conversation about what their results actually are. Spending all her time giving daily televised briefings doesn't make her good at governing. So I feel she really need calling out and properly questioned.

It does seem that those in thrall to NS are immune to rational arguments, so I think it will sadly fall on deaf ears.

I don’t know about the salmond stuff but I do think on the whole she’s making a good job of dealing with covid as best anyone could under the circs. Better than BJ.

Shes making an arse of everything she touches. Only interested in one thing.

On BBC someone commented if Boris went to Tenerife she'd go to Elevenrife. And it's so true. Has to go one better. Sod the economy and the jobs, and lives that are being ruined in other ways.

@Elieza

I don’t know about the salmond stuff but I do think on the whole she’s making a good job of dealing with covid as best anyone could under the circs. Better than BJ.

Based on what criteria? Scotland has one of the worst death rates compared to similar European countries.

Scotland has one of the worst death rates compared to similar European countries.

I wonder why..............

Eilieza That's the problem - people think she's done a good job because she talks the talk. But she's done a crap job and all she's interested in is independence.

She needs to start spending the money and not hoarding it all away for her independence vote which I hope she never gets

We said NO.

'UK government statistics show that Scotland's Covid death rate is 94 per 100,000, compared to England's at 101.5 and Wales at 102.4. Northern Ireland's death rate is 63.4 per 100,000.' BBC News

Considering that air transport is a reserved matter and the Scottish Government were unable to control access, I reckon that they've done a better job than the English govt did.

As usual, I'm glad to be in Scotland and will continue to vote for the SNP as a vehicle towards independence. Once we're self-determining we can choose the direction we want to go in.

If Scots choose to give the SNP a majority next year (again) and it's based on a manifesto of another indyref, then that's a clear sign of what Scots want, not what happened back in 2014.

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP are certainly not perfect, but they're a whole lot better than Johnson and his corrupt crew. I'll stick with them.

So Scotland's mortality rate is slightly better than England's yet the difference in population density is massive. England has 426 people per square km while Scotland has 65. That's a massive difference. This is why, in my earlier comment, I was comparing Scotland's death rate to similar European countries, not England's.

She is only interested in one thing and she needs to get her head out of her fucking arse and focus on dealing with the damage to the economy, sorting the schools out and forget about independence.

She can’t behave like Trump and say ‘once in a lifetime’ then dislike the result so start agitating again. There is enough shit going on just now.
BJ needs to get his act together as well, otherwise he’s handing it to her on a plate (and I am not a Tory or a supporter of BJ either!).

@MissEliza

It does seem that those in thrall to NS are immune to rational arguments, so I think it will sadly fall on deaf ears.

The same could be said of Boris Johnson in England. After all, both he and Nicola Sturgeon were elected democratically, so what's the difference ?

Nationalists always end up the same. There wont be any suprises there for me.

@MissEliza

So Scotland's mortality rate is slightly better than England's yet the difference in population density is massive.

In relation to Covid mortality rates, this argument is nonsense. Do you think that all Scots live in the middle of fields in the Highlands?

Of course we don't, we live in towns and cities, with the majority of us living in the central belt between Glasgow and Edinburgh.

'Population density is 65 persons per square kilometre for Scotland and ranges from 8 persons per square kilometre in Highland Council area to 3,298 persons per square kilometre in Glasgow City Council area.'

Rural Scotland accounts for 17% of the total population in Scotland (6% in remote rural and 11% in accessible rural).

So, 83% of Scots live in urban settlements. Interestingly, only 79% of English people do. There's actually a greaert percentage living in rural areas in England than there in Scotland!

That makes our lower death rate figures even more impressive.

But, thanks for trying.

Scotland is the sick man of Europe. We have a terrible record on health in general, lots of issue with bad diets and the resultant diabetes and coronary issues so it's no surprise that COVID has taken its toll here when you consider the people who are in the at risk group.

Scotland is the sick man of Europe

Nope.

Not really sure what you're trying to prove with that video. We do have the highest obesity rates in Europe. And really high rates for heart disease, diabetes, alcohol consumption and smoking - all of which are risk factors for covid. That's a simple statement of fact. It will be interesting when this is all over to see how countries compare when this is all done as I think our previous health record will definitely have played a part in mortality rates - its not just a case of what actions governments have taken to deal with events now as the groundwork unfortunately has already been laid by decades of poor health. Infant mortality is declining under the SNP like your video says but they're not the ones at risk of dying from covid.

Soloula has said pretty much everything I was going to. It's great that infant mortality rates have improved but you really can't omit the fact that Scottish mortality is the lowest in the UK.

I have long argued the best argument against Scottish independence is the SNP. I don't think that the SNP have done a great job in their pandemic response.

However, it's streets ahead of the UK government.

The language is fascinating

Cult
In thrall

She's just a politician she's not Charles Manson

FWIW my Scottish colleague who wasn't keen has really come around to her during Corona.

She's a million times better than the shitshow we have in England!

I think the snp have done ok with their covid response.

There were some things that could obviously have been done differently knowing what they/we do now. And improvements that could be made and seemingly are being made. The FM admits that. So that’s good, it’s honest and open. Obviously some things are outwith Scotland’s control and there is no hard border with England. If that were different I’m sure the governments response would have been different.

Judging by the lack of interest in this thread, people must be fed up with political arguments at a time where politicians should be putting the welfare of their country ahead of personal gain. I honestly think the FM of Scotland is doing that. And as only a handful of people have posted on this thread I’d imagine the majority feel the same, or they’d have been in here bashing the Scottish government.

I don’t think anything she’s done so far re covid has been specifically about independence.

Nearer the election there will be more chat though. But I don’t think she’s let it sway her judgement just now. I honestly don’t.

However there are people in this world who will swear things blind through their utter hatred. I don’t fully understand that. I prefer to look at the facts. In as much detail as I can be bothered to do but I have more important things to consider, like putting my dinner on now!

@JulesM73

She is only interested in one thing and she needs to get her head out of her fucking arse and focus on dealing with the damage to the economy, sorting the schools out and forget about independence. She can’t behave like Trump and say ‘once in a lifetime’ then dislike the result so start agitating again. There is enough shit going on just now. BJ needs to get his act together as well, otherwise he’s handing it to her on a plate (and I am not a Tory or a supporter of BJ either!).

Yes to this.

Normally if you question anything to do with the SNP on social media you just get attacked and called an English loving Tory 🙄

Joanna Cherry has called her out on the misogyny within the party; the ridiculous Hate Crimes Bill (report your family, people!) ; and her controlling nature, I’m pleased to say. But she’s getting pelters from the SNP faithful.

The real problem is there’s no effective opposition nor quality media to call her out. But I think fewer people support independence than they believe, as it’s quite scary to say you don’t want it.

And they are still sending people back to care homes with positive tests.

And no data or evidence is provided for the increasingly draconian and puritanical lockdown measures.

Re “increasingly draconian and puritanical lockdown measures”

The virus is still spreading at an alarming rate. They are trying to rush vaccines through.

They are concerned it’s spread from a-symptomatic people and are now checking them randomly to see.

What other measures would you suggest that keep people away from each other to slow the spread of the virus?

It has to be slowed or we will all be dead as there won’t be enough beds in any country!

The measures being taken arent a political thing. They are trying to save lives. Which is far more important than politics. Sometimes things have to be done that people don’t like to save them from their own partying stupidity.

There is, for example, no evidence of spread in gyms. 0.78 per 100, 000 in a study by Sheffield Hallam. Why then are gyms shut in Scotland with its fat and unhealthy population?

Interestingly, the average age of death from Covid is a few years older than the average age of death in Scotland.

NS the female Nigel Farage, she’s just a one trick pony, She moans about Brexit and independence will bring just as many issues that will be unresolved before the vote, Border, currency, EU, visas for People working in Scotland or England etc etc