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Nicola Sturgeon's reputation dubious.

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Corcory · 29/11/2020 11:28

Great interview with Andrew Marr this morning where he stated lots of Scottish records that were worse than the rest of the UK - Covid 19 deaths in Care Homes for instance and the SNP's policy to level out attainment in schools which has actually got worse! He also played a piece from 2018 where she denied knowing about Alex Salmon's transgressions until April of that year when in fact she has now admitted she know about than 6 month earlier.

So many people are taken in by the cult of NS so I'm hoping this will start a conversation about what their results actually are. Spending all her time giving daily televised briefings doesn't make her good at governing. So I feel she really need calling out and properly questioned.

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curtainsfort · 02/12/2020 13:58

Nothing hypocritical in that - she's doing what she believes to be in the best interests of Scotland. She thinks both of those things are. Some disagree, and that's fine.

How can they both be in the best interest of Scotland? We can't fight for independence if we need the U.K. government's financial input. It doesn't make any sense. It's one or the other. We either need them or we don't.

WouldBeGood · 02/12/2020 14:02

I’m disappointed to see today on Twitter that apparently she has not “identified” vaccination centres yet.

I really hope the organisation for the vaccine is going to be better than the previous shitshow by SG. And WM

ImNotMeImSomeoneElse · 02/12/2020 14:19

How can they both be in the best interest of Scotland? We can't fight for independence if we need the U.K. government's financial input

😂😂🤣🤣

I don't know how it has escaped your attention, but at the moment we are reliant on Westminster as we aren't actually independent. They take the money raised in this country and give us some back.

If we became independent, we wouldn't send money to Westminster, and we'd have more power for raising money in other ways.

I'm shocked that you don't see that!

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curtainsfort · 02/12/2020 14:35

😂😂🤣🤣

I don't know how it has escaped your attention, but at the moment we are reliant on Westminster as we aren't actually independent.

Do you think rolling with laughter is a good way to get your point across? It's just rude to laugh at people and act as if you are above them.

If we became independent, we wouldn't send money to Westminster, and we'd have more power for raising money in other ways.

That's a fair point. I still think she is being hypocritical to stand up and say she wants reassurance from the U.K. government that we will get the funds then shout for independence the following week.

I'm shocked that you don't see that!

Shocked? You are shocked? Shocked that someone doesn't have the same level of understanding as yourself? Or is it that your perceived better understanding doesn't make you feel quite good enough so you need to add in a put down or 2?

jollygreenpea · 02/12/2020 14:43

If we became independent, we wouldn't send money to Westminster

If you were lucky you would be sending it to the EU instead.

ImNotMeImSomeoneElse · 02/12/2020 16:16

In all honesty, you came across like someone that absolutely understood the situation and was just trying to twist things to make a point. If you have a genuine lack of understanding of the way things stand at the moment, then I absolutely apologise as my reaction would then seem really heartless and awful.

I was reacting in a way that seemed appropriate to someone that was twisting the truth to their own political ends.

But there is nothing hypocritical in her standing up for Scotland - it's her job. No matter what that takes.

ImNotMeImSomeoneElse · 02/12/2020 16:20

@jollygreenpea I bloody hope so! Brexit is the biggest mistake this country has EVER made, imho.

jollygreenpea · 02/12/2020 19:52

ImNotMeImSomeoneElse

Sadly, I don't think an independent Scotland would be able to join the EU again, or it would be really difficult Spain has already said that they would block it happening.

WouldBeGood · 02/12/2020 19:56

@jollygreenpea yes. And being in Europe is the only possible reason I’d vote for it.

peaceanddove · 02/12/2020 20:02

I'm curious as to how Scotland would support itself, financially, if it became independent?

luckylavender · 02/12/2020 20:11

@ImNotMeImSomeoneElse - well said

user1471565182 · 02/12/2020 20:59

Oil of course! worked miracles for the USSR and its not like scotland is a fraction of the size or looking to break up any unions any time soon........

user1471565182 · 02/12/2020 21:02

And then theres the fact that countries need to start looking away from oil and gas in the next few years.

ImNotMeImSomeoneElse · 02/12/2020 21:58

Spain has already said that they would block it happening

Have they? The last thing I saw on that, they said they wouldn't block it. But that was ages ago, so things might have changed. Disappointing if so.

I'm curious as to how Scotland would support itself, financially, if it became independent?

In the same way that other countries do. Taxes etc. Don't believe everything you read. If Scotland were truly as much of a drain on resources as people would have you believe, a Conservative government would not be nearly so keen to see us stay within the UK. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it's most definitely possible.

Bikingbear · 02/12/2020 23:48

The oil that Shetland will take with them when they go independent of Scotland.

I've concluded that another independence referendum could not only split the UK it could easily split Scotland - Scotland no more.
Shetland & Orkney will take their independence. What's to top the Borders saying actually we want to stay with England, Carlisle and Berwick upon Tweed are our nearest big towns let's stay with them?
Remember while the last vote was 45 / 55 most council areas outwith the central belt wanted to remain.

Chocolatedeficitdisorder · 02/12/2020 23:50

The oil that Shetland will take with them when they go independent of Scotland.

Shetland don't want independence, they want greater devolution. The Scottish Govt have agreed to discuss the terms in the event of devolution.

If they did become Independent, I believe they would inherit at 12 mile boundary which does not include most of the oil fields.

Chocolatedeficitdisorder · 02/12/2020 23:51

*in the event of independence, not devolution

Chocolatedeficitdisorder · 02/12/2020 23:55

The likelihood of the Shetlands and the Orkneys leaving Scotland are very similar to that of Yorkshire or Greater London leaving England.

They're not in a union with Scotland, they're a part of Scotland. They're not a great comparison when discussing Scottish Independence.

ImNotMeImSomeoneElse · 03/12/2020 00:02

The oil that Shetland will take with them when they go independent of Scotland

When?

There has never been a time when Shetland Independence has been taken seriously by the majority of Shetlanders. They can't even get an effective council together never mind run the whole caboodle! It might happen, but the recent news stories saying shetland is looking for independence are a misrepresentation of the facts. What the council is looking at is greater autonomy, not total independence.

Lizzie523 · 03/12/2020 00:07

I would say her reputation remains positive overall in Scotland

Some SNP supporters are giving her a bit of side eye now with the Joanna Cherry fiasco though. Overall people feel she has handled the pandemic very well.

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