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Springcatkin · 28/11/2020 16:43

But everyone else has - what should I do?

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Ragwort · 30/11/2020 18:35

Did you actually speak to someone, surely just sending an email is a bit lame ... why didn't you speak direct to your manager first thing this morning? Confused

Springcatkin · 30/11/2020 19:06

I tried but he is not answering his phone; his email has a generic 'out of office' saying he is busy.

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Springcatkin · 30/11/2020 19:07

There is no HR or anyone else to speak to - very small company.

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Cleanerdilemma · 30/11/2020 19:15

Good luck with it, is there an emergency number for him or anything? I would think this was worth calling on it if there is!

timeforanewstart · 30/11/2020 19:54

Who pays the wages ? Is it an accountancy firm or the company direct do payroll ?

timeforanewstart · 30/11/2020 19:56

Also re : payslip i thought it was against employment law or similar not to receive a payslip
Do you get p60 etc at end of year so you know they are paying tax and ni

Springcatkin · 30/11/2020 20:27

Accountancy firm do the wages, office manager sets up the BACS at the bank and boss authorises them. OM has confirmed mine was set up as usual. Have to assume boss deliberately failed to authorise mine.

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Avondklok · 30/11/2020 20:45

Why would you assume it was deliberate?

Springcatkin · 30/11/2020 21:16

Why not if he pays everyone else and not me?

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ToDoListAddict · 30/11/2020 21:25

How many days late are your wages from your contracted payment date?
Non payment is an unauthorised deduction of salary and is in breach of your employment contract.
I believe the rule is to give a couple days for the company to rectify the situation- then if no resolution you may need to take this down the legal route.

WattleOn · 30/11/2020 21:32

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

A manager or company owner would have to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic to withhold payment from an employee in the UK. Not worth their time or trouble to do it. It is much more likely to be an oversight.

What makes you think it was deliberate?

Keep chasing (politely). Also, ask the office manager to follow up on your behalf if he/she is involved in setting it up. They might have a more direct route to contacting the boss.

worriedandannoyed · 30/11/2020 22:08

If paid by BACS it is all sent as one file to the bank, not individual payments.

savethewales · 30/11/2020 22:09

I can’t imagine they’ll withhold yours. An accountancy firm would usually send everyone’s payslips and the amount they need to be transferred, they’d also confirm amounts to be paid such as NI and pension. It’s frustrating but for this to be your reaction it definitely sounds like there’s something you’re withholding and maybe you should be looking for another job.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 30/11/2020 22:15

I'm sorry you have experienced bullying but it is a massive leap to assume this is deliberate. Do you genuinely not see the list of reasons it could be completely unintentional because you seem to have fixed on it being deliberate without question?

The boss could have made a genuine error , the bank could have made an error ,the office manager could have made an error and genuinely not realised it until after she told you it was fine , there are many reasons it could be genuine.

I genuinely do feel for you , we have had this happen and it's a really scary time before its figured out. What I would say is be very careful jumping to conclusions without any evidence.

Gazelda · 30/11/2020 22:19

Are you able to check his calendar to see when he's next available to contact? Is there another member of staff who you could approach, perhaps for them to get in touch with the manager? Have you been into work today, or when are you next due to work?

DianaT1969 · 30/11/2020 22:36

Have you been on sick leave, furlough or under a disciplinary warning lately? Is your company struggling financially? Who bullies you? Did you go to work today?

MiddleClassMother · 30/11/2020 22:47

Did you speak to your line manager today OP? They should be your first point of call. I'm sure it's just a genuine mistake. Does your bank have an overdraft facility that won't incur charges?

BarbaraofSeville · 01/12/2020 03:13

Does your manager have a manager who you can contact? Or is there another higher up?

Unless your employer literally is a small handful of people you shouldn't be in the position where you have no-one you can contact more or less straight away with a problem, certainly with an acknowledgement with a plan of action the same day, from a person, not an automated email. What if you had an urgent work issue, eg an unsatisfied customer?

On Tuesday you need to push for an explanation and preferably a same day transfer of your salary.

And it really could be an error, these things happen at all stages through the payroll process. I work for a large employer that makes endless mistakes, or they've happened in the banking system.

Salaries paid to the wrong people, meaning the director's salary has been paid to someone in a junior role, people not being paid at all, overtime or shift allowances not being paid, mistakes with deductions for tax free childcare, meaning money for childcare has been deducted from salary but not appeared in the childcare account, you name it, it's happened, multiple times.

But there's always been a route to get things sorted, as should be the case for you, unless there's something you're not mentioning. If there was a formal dispute between you and your employer, it would be very unwise and unusual of them to deliberately not pay you, without any explanation.

Dee1975 · 01/12/2020 06:42

Did you get paid op?? Was it just an error?

Springcatkin · 03/12/2020 11:43

No. Apparently they have deducted stuff I allegedly owe the Company but I know I haven't signed anything that says they can deduct stuff. No payslip or breakdown yet which doesn't help Angry

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 03/12/2020 11:47

Wow - they seem completely incompetent. Have they terminated your employment?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 03/12/2020 11:52

Speak to ACAS about unlawful deduction of wages

www.acas.org.uk/check-if-your-employer-can-make-deductions-from-your-wages

ginnybag · 03/12/2020 11:53

Okay, now we're in iffy territory.

To deduct from salary, they have to show what the deduction is for, and taking the whole of your salary - even for a genuinely owed deduction - with no warning is likely to be viewed as unfair.

In writing, ask:

For your payslip, showing your normal pay and the listed deductions
For a detailed breakdown of those deductions
Proof that you agreed to them
Proof that you were notified that they would be occurring - when, how much etc.

Remember that some things could be contractual clauses - uniform costs, unsupported expenses on a company credit cards, private mileage and fuel etc and some things, such as PPE, you cannot be charged for full stop.

You should expect an answer really very quickly, as if they don't have grounds for the deductions (and bloody good ones) they've broken the law in a number of ways.

DianaT1969 · 03/12/2020 12:14

I feel you are telling half the story here. Not much point of the thread. Are you saying that you are still going to work each day despite not being paid? In all this time you haven't found an opportunity to speak to the manager? You have no idea what you might "owe" the company?

HarrietPotterska · 03/12/2020 17:42

So they've told you you've not been paid because you owe them money?? What job do you do where you can end up owing them??