Peter Sutcliffe has died

[Ginfordinner]

I was a student in Leeds during his reign of terror. I won't mourn his death.

The most powerful speaker I've ever heard is the son of Wilma McCann, Richard (his videos are on YouTube).

He talks about that morning, aged 6, when he and his sister went looking for their mother in their PJs in the very early hours as she hadn't returned home. How they narrowly missed seeing the field where their mother lay. How they were taken to a children's home and a police officer broke the news.

Sutcliffe's shadow threatened Richard's whole life. Despite this he turned it around, although it was again blighted by tragedy, stemming from Sutcliffe.

He says he hopes this will give him some closure now.

More on Richard's experiences (from 2005)

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4522173.stm

This was one crime they should have brought the death penalty back for, Myra Hindley & Ian Brady the other one, probably Fred & Rose West as well. All of them didn't deserve to live at the taxpayers expense & all pure evil.

@Nat6999

This was one crime they should have brought the death penalty back for, Myra Hindley & Ian Brady the other one, probably Fred & Rose West as well. All of them didn't deserve to live at the taxpayers expense & all pure evil.

Where do you draw the line though? Jamie Bulger’s killers or Robert Black or Roy Whiting?

You draw the line at capital punishment. I don’t want state killing in my name.

As I said on another thread, part of the reason I don't support the death penalty, is because I believe it is far, far harder to live knowing that you are loathed by everyone and will never be forgiven, for the rest of your days. Spending every day of your life having to live like that and feeling you could be killed yourself on a daily basis, seems unbearable to me; having suffered with depression and anxiety my whole life.

People like that deserve all the torment, torture and suffering that comes their way. The only small comfort any of us can take is in knowing they will be suffering.

I really hope he suffered in his last weeks and that some of the poor healthcare staff who had to treat him got the chance to spit in his medicine, food or water.

I remember being at my local hospital a few years ago and seeing a chap with red rimmed eyes staring at me. He was staring so intently and making me so uncomfortable that I didn't even notice he was handcuffed on each side. After we had walked away my DM told me who it was, he had not long been attacked and had gone for a check up on his eyes.

Capital punishment is never the answer.

@Bluntness100

I don’t really remember it in detail. As I was twelve at the time of his trial, I suspect my father kept me away from it. But obviously heard about it further down the line

I just can’t understand why his wife stayed in contact. I get why she didn’t speak out, she deserves privacy, I assume she didn’t know, but I can’t get my head round staying in contact with him for decades after.

I agree about his wife. Just as baffling to me is that she's still living in the same house where they lived together for all those years - the house he brought back the murder weapons to wash and hide them, the house where he kept the clothes he wore when he killed his victims.

Can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

The howling throng outside the court in Leeds at the time was truly medieval and utterly abhorrent and was the reason he could not be tried here.

I see from this thread there are a lot of people who have not emerged from the dark ages

You disgust me.

I'm off.

Anyone who has any ounce of compassion for this vile specimen and thinks he deserved to be treated with any dignity or respect is seriously misguided at best.

I have compassion and respect for nearly all living creatures, and I am the sort of person who thinks it is cruel to even use ant powder, but there are a few human beings who do not deserve any civility, dignity, comfort or kindness. He was one of them

I have heard Richard McCann speak in person, several times about what he went through as a child and subsequent difficulties in his life and he is an extremely inspiring man and the power and emotion he can create is no different each time you listen to him.
I'm glad he has found closure.
RIP Wilma McCann and all the other victims.

@TheNighthawk

Can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

The howling throng outside the court in Leeds at the time was truly medieval and utterly abhorrent and was the reason he could not be tried here.

I see from this thread there are a lot of people who have not emerged from the dark ages

You disgust me.

I'm off.

Did you feel sorry for Hitler and stalin as well?

Its bad enough we have to live in a world with these serial killers, why would we want to live in a world with state murder as well?

Those who want to be down there with Belarus, China, Iran and the US can go live there for a bit and see how they like the mindset, these are also by the way more violent societies than those without Capital punishment.

What we can take from these cases is the need to be a better society for women like those who ended up as victims. Those scummy tabloids who're usually at the front of the line screaming for the death penalty are also the worst when it comes to making those women's lives a misery

Grazia magazine posted on Instagram (sorry can't do links) a photo of each victim saying today was about them not him, I was glad to see it. I also watched the brilliant BBC4 documentary and was struck by the bravery of Tracey Brown - a survivor and also the inspirational Richard McCann, what a credit to his mother he is. It's a sad day for the victims past and present.

I felt sad hearing the news . Not sad he had died as such but sad for what happened to those women and the children they leave behind and all the memories today will have brought back. Their deaths were senseless and needless. Their lives have gone. His life is now gone. So many lives ended and ruined by what happened and that’s deeply sad

I wonder how many others he killed.Sadly we may never know how many others Sutcliffe killed..

@Hearwego I think that is the same too with the Wests, and we should remember not just the known victims, but the unknown ones.

A separate point- there is still in Leeds a state supported scheme that puts women in fear albeit in a different way from when Peter Sutcliffe was at large, the so-called toleration zone. Women in fear of being approached as if they are prostitutes, another Peter Sutcliffe would know exactly where to go to abduct and kill.

@TheNighthawk

Can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

The howling throng outside the court in Leeds at the time was truly medieval and utterly abhorrent and was the reason he could not be tried here.

I see from this thread there are a lot of people who have not emerged from the dark ages

You disgust me.

I'm off.

Careful, the door might hit you on the way out.

Whitetilesmurf Robert Black should have hung as well, Jamie Bulger's killers were children one of them at least does seem to have been rehabilitated & stayed out of trouble, the other one will most likely be in & out of prison for the rest of his life. Don't forget the moors murderers didn't even give some of the parent's closure of being able to hold a funeral for their children. Peter Sutcliffe has spent nearly forty years either in Broadmoor or in prison, most likely with extra protection to prevent him from being attacked, the bill must add up to millions of pounds of public money that could have been better spent on compensating the families of the victims.

I can't say that I am at all sad to hear this. I will certainly shed no tears over that vile creature. My sympathy is all with his victims and their surviving family members. I hope that it maybe brings them some closure.

I don't agree with capital punishment, but I will admit that Sutcliffe was definitely on the fairly short list of murderers and serial killers for whom I think it would have been a fitting and appropriate punishment. Others on that list would have been Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Peter Tobin, Ian Huntley, and Fred and Rose West.

I didn't live in Yorkshire. I was in the Midlands. The terror that Sutcliffe caused spread far and wide though. I was 15 when he was finally arrested and the relief everywhere was palpable.

Awful man. I just hope he didn’t spread the virus to any decent people.

I am 47 and remember news reports when I was a little girl about the murders. All those poor women. Just terrible. Wicked wicked man.

@GreyBow

Wilma McCann, Emily Jackson, Irene Richardson, Patricia Atkinson, Jayne McDonald, Jean Jordan, Yvonne Pearson, Helen Rytka, Vera Millward, Josephine Whittaker, Barbara Leach, Marguerite Walls, Jacqueline Hill.

❤️

Burn in hell evil bastard.

@TheNighthawk

Can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

The howling throng outside the court in Leeds at the time was truly medieval and utterly abhorrent and was the reason he could not be tried here.

I see from this thread there are a lot of people who have not emerged from the dark ages

You disgust me.

I'm off.

Off you fuck then.

The misogyny of the press and police was truly medieval and utterly abhorrent. His crimes were truly medieval and utterly abhorrent and the reason women were living in terror.

Being paranoid schizophrenic doesn’t excuse or lessen the impact on his victims who include the women he murdered, the women who survived and their families.